BREXIT Crunch time (part 38) WTF is going to happen next?

[SpookyFrank]

So we're just getting tuesday's vote again today?

These people, if they had any other job they'd all have been in the dole queue long since.

 

[Sprocket.]

So we're just getting tuesday's vote again today?

These people, if they had any other job they'd all have been in the dole queue long since.

Transferable skills would be useful if they had any?

 

[killer b]

We aren't getting tuesday's vote today, we're getting a vote on extending article 50 today.

Tuesday's vote is expected to be back next week...

 

[gosub]

So with no deal off the table and brexiteers minds focussed on the potential for losing Brexit entirely, what chance that May’s deal will be passed next week and the A50 extension will be just a short one?

Thing about losing Brexit entirely....The government has gone about Brexit like it did every other significant EUropean treaty...Party in power decideds what in is aiming for presents to Parliament as afait a compete ...


What we have had, in the last 2 years, is a worked example of why we had to leave.

 

[SpookyFrank]

We aren't getting tuesday's vote today, we're getting a vote on extending article 50 today.

Tuesday's vote is expected to be back next week...

Oh right.

For a minute there I though something stupid was happening.

 

[Teaboy]

So we're just getting tuesday's vote again today?

These people, if they had any other job they'd all have been in the dole queue long since.

No. Today's vote is on whether the PM should ask for an extension. It should be a formality* as only the real head bangers want a no deal exit on the 29th.

The meaningful vote (which as pointed out earlier in this thread appears only to be meaningful if May wins) will be next week, probably around the 20th. Then we will have MV4, 5, 6 etc etc until someone puts her out of her misery.

*Then again last night was supposed to be a formality.

 

[alsoknownas]

A proffered long delay would suit May as many ERG-ers would likely balk enough to back her in a third vote. The longer the delay in prospect the more chance of that happening I reckon.

 

[gosub]

No. Today's vote is on whether the PM should ask for an extension. It should be a formality* as only the real head bangers want a no deal exit on the 29th.

The meaningful vote (which as pointed out earlier in this thread appears only to be meaningful if May wins) will be next week, probably around the 20th. Then we will have MV4, 5, 6 etc etc until someone puts her out of her misery.

*Then again last night was supposed to be a formality.

An old rule means Bercow could take drastic action on Brexit

 

[alsoknownas]

No MV4 /5 /6 I wouldn't have thought. May's last stand next week (which is not without it's chance of success), then into the long grass.

 

[Teaboy]

Thing about losing Brexit entirely....The government has gone about Brexit like it did every other significant EUropean treaty...Party in power decideds what in is aiming for presents to Parliament as afait a compete ...


What we have had, in the last 2 years, is a worked example of why we had to leave.

As opposed to how the government presents domestic policies to Parliament? We're only in this very situation now because we have a hung parliament.

 

[Teaboy]

A proffered long delay would suit May as many ERG-ers would likely balk enough to back her in a third vote. The longer the delay in prospect the more chance of that happening I reckon.

Which is exactly why its being mentioned in Brussels. They have tried to help May out where possible.

 

[Teaboy]

An old rule means Bercow could take drastic action on Brexit

Yes. Its interesting but that puts a lot of shit onto Bercow. I know he likes the limelight but crikey that would be a big call.

 

[alsoknownas]

Which is exactly why its being mentioned in Brussels. They have tried to help May out where possible.

Yep, I got that feeling too. Surely there's no genuine appetite for four years!

 

[Sprocket.]

Yes. Its interesting but that puts a lot of shit onto Bercow. I know he likes the limelight but crikey that would be a big call.

It would destroy his career in politics, the right wing media would slaughter him. Imo.

 

[Argonia]

Fucking hell is Theresa trying to have a go with her deal for the third time? Flogging a dead horse.

 

[killer b]

It would destroy his career in politics, the right wing media would slaughter him. Imo.

How would it destroy his career in politics?

 

[Sprocket.]

Fucking hell is Theresa trying to have a go with her deal for the third time? Flogging a dead horse.

She has previous I hear.

 

[Teaboy]

Fucking hell is Theresa trying to have a go with her deal for the third time? Flogging a dead horse.

Yup. Scorched earth policy is how its being described.

She looks terrible at the moment, really ill. I know she is under the weather and had very little sleep but what she is going through at the moment must be pretty bad. Then again its nothing compared to what she has done to other people by being a senior cabinet minister in a government that inflicted policies which deliberately targeted the weakest and most vulnerable not to mention her horrific policies at the Home Office - Windrush etc.

More misery and suffering for May please.

 

[Sprocket.]

How would it destroy his career in politics?

The Tories would vilify him, ccause him to leave his position as an MP by whatever underhand methods they could use. His constituwould probably do likewise and he would end up like Michael Portillo or worse.

 

[chilango]

It would destroy his career in politics, the right wing media would slaughter him. Imo.

But a one-off moment of utter power and a place in the history books?

What ego could resist that?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It would destroy his career in politics, the right wing media would slaughter him. Imo.

This is Bercow's moment in the sun and he appears to me at least to be enjoying every second. Like May, once this brexit thing is done, he's basically done. But unlike May, that just gives him wider freedom of action.

 

[chilango]

The Tories would vilify him, ccause him to leave his position as an MP by whatever underhand methods they could use. His constituwould probably do likewise and he would end up like Michael Portillo or worse.

Poor starving Michael Portillo? Oh noes.

 

[Sprocket.]

This is Bercow's moment in the sun and he appears to me at least to be enjoying every second. Like May, once this brexit thing is done, he's basically done. But unlike May, that just gives him wider freedom of action.

I don’t think he will do it because he won’t have to.

 

[killer b]

The Tories would vilify him, ccause him to leave his position as an MP by whatever underhand methods they could use. His constituwould probably do likewise and he would end up like Michael Portillo or worse.

I think there's little he could do to make himself less popular with the conservative party tbh - if this is something that's possible, it's already on the cards.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Yup. Scorched earth policy is how its being described.

She looks terrible at the moment, really ill. I know she is under the weather and had very little sleep but what she is going through at the moment must be pretty bad. Then again its nothing compared to what she has done to other people by being a senior cabinet minister in a government that inflicted policies which deliberately targeted the weakest and most vulnerable not to mention her horrific policies at the Home Office - Windrush etc.

More misery and suffering for May please.

It's kind of tragic really isn't it. That someone who has dedicated her career to achieving power apparently purely for the sake of it finally gets there, and discovers she has no actual ability to achieve anything at all, and is ultimately slowly crushed beneath the weight of it all.

Oh well.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I know he is one, but I really don't think Bercow cares much about being vilified by the tories.

 

[Sprocket.]

Poor starving Michael Portillo? Oh noes.

Yes, wearing red trousers.

 

[chilango]

Yes, wearing red trousers.

I bet Bercow already has several pairs.

 

[Teaboy]

If Bercow stops a vote and Brexit gets kicked into the long grass for a couple of years or more then the title of 'the man who stole Brexit' will be hung around his neck. He will be hated across the land. I wouldn't do it if I was him.

 

[Sprocket.]

I know he is one, but I really don't think Bercow cares much about being vilified by the tories.

True, they could vilify me if they wanted, me and almost a Lord Bercow don’t care.