BREXIT Crunch time (part 38) WTF is going to happen next?

[Puddy_Tat]

So, who's risking more going into this meeting, and who's got better odds of coming out of it on top*?

*which, in this context, generally means not as deep in shit as the other.

has to be auld corbyn as there's no more that can be said about him to rubbish him more than he has been already

dunno really.

i can't see this going well.

if the talks don't lead to anything and we end up with no-deal, then the tories and their friends in the press can say it's all corbyn's fault (and the labour /remain voters will be pissed off) -

or if we end up with a long extension to article 50 then same again but with the labour / leave voters pissed off.

or if the outcome is a softish brexit, then the tories and their friends in the press will say corbyn has betrayed brexit and it's all his fault (and the labour / leave voters will be pissed off because it's not really brexit, and the labour / remain voters will be pissed off because it's still a brexit of some sort)

i'm inclined to think that a principled decision would be to tell the tories this is a shambles of their own making and not to get involved, but i can see that wouldn't play well.

i don't think corbyn has got the political / weasel skills to come out of this well. i can't see the press - whatever the outcome - hailing corbyn as the country's saviour for sorting out this bloody shambles.

Tbf, Osborne's on-going feud with May does produce some good LES headlines...

the line of the evening sub-standard over the last year or two has tended to be how bloody awful may is but corbyn would be worse

 

[brogdale]

the line of the evening sub-standard over the last year or two has tended to be how bloody awful may is but corbyn would be worse

It still is; it's just an (by 'Evening standards') amusing conflation of those two notions.

 

[Pickman's model]

dunno really.

i can't see this going well.

if the talks don't lead to anything and we end up with no-deal, then the tories and their friends in the press can say it's all corbyn's fault (and the labour /remain voters will be pissed off) -

or if we end up with a long extension to article 50 then same again but with the labour / leave voters pissed off.

or if the outcome is a softish brexit, then the tories and their friends in the press will say corbyn has betrayed brexit and it's all his fault (and the labour / leave voters will be pissed off because it's not really brexit, and the labour / remain voters will be pissed off because it's still a brexit of some sort)

i'm inclined to think that a principled decision would be to tell the tories this is a shambles of their own making and not to get involved, but i can see that wouldn't play well.

i don't think corbyn has got the political / weasel skills to come out of this well. i can't see the press - whatever the outcome - hailing corbyn as the country's saviour for sorting out this bloody shambles.





the line of the evening sub-standard over the last year or two has tended to be how bloody awful may is but corbyn would be worse

everyone's seen may cock things up for the best part of three years so i doubt much mud would stick to corbyn in the event this engagement fails. it's more likely he'll be blamed if it succeeds.

 

[Santino]

Tbf, Osborne's on-going feud with May does produce some good LES headlines...

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Is he doing the Eric Morecambe glasses thing there?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

i'm inclined to think that a principled decision would be to tell the tories this is a shambles of their own making and not to get involved, but i can see that wouldn't play well.

I think you may overstate how pissed off labour-voting leave supporters would be with a soft brexit. The tory activists are frothing about it, but I've really not heard anything to suggest left-leaning people doing the same. The lines that x, y or z would not be 'real brexit' are generally being pushed by the right for a right-leaning audience. I see no evidence of resonance with the left.

That aside, I agree with this point. It's a bloody cheek of May to spend three years excluding anyone but the tories from the brexit process only to call in for help after fucking it all up. If you don't want to govern, have a GE, should be the cry now. But that would play badly. Corbyn needs to try to look like the grown-up in the room, and that means agreeing to talks.

 

[Wilf]

Is he doing the Eric Morecambe glasses thing there?

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I was thinking that. Maybe he's going to pretend she's wearing a wig.

 

[philosophical]

God knows what line Corbyn can take in PMQ's.
He kind of has to say 'ok, I'm coming round to your gaff, but it stinks of piss, can you at least Hoover up first and empty Larry's litter tray for the first time in months?'

 

[andysays]

I think you may overstate how pissed off labour-voting leave supporters would be with a soft brexit. The tory activists are frothing about it, but I've really not heard anything to suggest left-leaning people doing the same. The lines that x, y or z would not be 'real brexit' are generally being pushed by the right for a right-leaning audience. I see no evidence of resonance with the left.

That aside, I agree with this point. It's a bloody cheek of May to spend three years excluding anyone but the tories from the brexit process only to call in for help after fucking it all up. If you don't want to govern, have a GE, should be the cry now. But that would play badly. Corbyn needs to try to look like the grown-up in the room, and that means agreeing to talks.

It means agreeing to talks, but it clearly doesn't mean agreeing to any old shit she suggests.

It also depends on what Corbyn's priorities are. Is it just about Brexit or is it primarily about driving a wedge further into the split in the Tory party?

 

[Wilf]

God knows what line Corbyn can take in PMQ's.
He kind of has to say 'ok, I'm coming round to your gaff, but it stinks of piss, can you at least Hoover up first and empty Larry's litter tray for the first time in months?'

I think that's more the line that Julian Assange's visitors tend to take.

 

[eatmorecheese]

Isn't this just a way for May to pin any lack of progress on Corbyn/Labour? Given her track record I'm finding it difficult to imagine any flexibility or compromise on her part...

 

[Wilf]

Priti Patel is winning the Frothathon at the moment:

“A man who sides with terrorists and socialist dictators, would surrender our nuclear deterrent, has let antisemitism run rife in his party and would bankrupt Britain has now been given the keys to Brexit,”

 

[Rosemary Jest]

May is thick as fuck and has been backed into a corner.

She's now clutching at the shortest straw after all the others have been sucked, but I doubt she has an over arching plan in all this.

It might well pan out that blame will be pinned on Corbyn if talks fail, but she just wants power and that would be a welcome side effect for May, not the intention.

 

[Poi E]

At least it will provide a bit of light relief for Corbyn. Watching the fucker squirm and swallow her pride.

 

[Pickman's model]

May is thick as fuck and has been backed into a corner.

She's now clutching at the shortest straw after all the others have been sucked, but I doubt she has an over arching plan in all this.

It might well pan out that blame will be pinned on Corbyn if talks fail, but she just wants power and that would be a welcome side effect for May, not the intention.

corbs more likely to get blamed if talks succeed than if they fail

 

[Wilf]

At least it will provide a bit of light relief for Corbyn. Watching the fucker squirm and swallow her pride.

He should go in there wearing a Che T-Shirt, one of his Maoist caps and whistling the Red Flag.

 

[ruffneck23]

corbs more likely to get blamed if talks succeed than if they fail

which is her master plan, I reckon

 

[Pickman's model]

He should go in there wearing a Che T-Shirt, one of his Maoist caps and whistling the Red Flag.

he only knows the 'once a year' version

 

[Cid]

May is, apparently, pretty closed off at the best of times and shit at talking... it’s going to be colossally awkward in there.

 

[Sprocket.]

Corbyn might walk in and show her the white eared elephant to break the ice!

 

[Lord Camomile]

"Hello Theresa, if you could just show me where you keep the magic money tree...?"

 

[Kaka Tim]

Most likely its just a sham to try and blame some of the shit show on corbyn.
I very much doubt they would come to agreement - partly because it would go down like a cup of cold sick with both parties.
The fact that none of senior brexiteer ministers have resigned suggests that may is not going to soften her red lines. At most may will go agree to change in the language of the PD to be more custom union orientated - but nothing binding that her successor cant just rip up.
Corbyn wont agree to that. Talks fail.
May can say " i tried".

 

[Cid]

As pointed out last night, the key is run-off votes ‘if’ they can’t agree.

 

[Pickman's model]

As pointed out last night, the key is run-off votes ‘if’ they can’t agree.

i vote we run off the cabinet first, and then the erg

 

[andysays]

i vote we run off the cabinet first, and then the erg

This post shows a disappointing lack of ambition.

I suggest we find a big enough cliff and run all 650 of them off simultaneously...

 

[Pickman's model]

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[Pickman's model]

This post shows a disappointing lack of ambition.

I suggest we find a big enough cliff and run all 650 of them off simultaneously...

 

[Wilf]

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Gadarene Brexit Swine!

 

[Wilf]

"For we are many"
- how many?
"17.4 million"

 

[Pickman's model]

"For we are many"
- how many?
"17.4 million"

 

[SpackleFrog]

i vote we run off the cabinet first, and then the erg

Stagist approach.

This post shows a disappointing lack of ambition.

I suggest we find a big enough cliff and run all 650 of them off simultaneously...

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