BREXIT Crunch time (part 38) WTF is going to happen next?

[Cid]

Oh, didn't she say it was contingent on the current WA too?

 

[Brainaddict]

Wow, looks like she might actually try for a cross-party deal and abandon the ERG. Which is what she should have done months ago obviously. But I thought she'd never get to it. Still, a lot of things could still go tits-up, and maybe it is all just a performance, but it is the first glimmer of sanity she's shown for a while.

 

[agricola]

Oh, didn't she say it was contingent on the current WA too?

As an aside, as it originally came out Kyle's proposal was to pass the current WA on the promise of a 2nd ref.

 

[danny la rouge]

She insists her Withdrawal Agreement will be part of the deal.

FFS.

 

[brogdale]

She insists her Withdrawal Agreement will be part of the deal.

FFS.

If she offers Corbyn Customs Union + 'workers rights', she's got it.
The ERG have finally lost.

 

[andysays]

She insists her Withdrawal Agreement will be part of the deal.

FFS.

If that's really all she has then Corbyn should say he's busy at the allotment and to call when she's ready to talk seriously...

 

[Brainaddict]

She insists her Withdrawal Agreement will be part of the deal.

FFS.

But maybe the backstop part of it can be rendered irrelevant by further political agreement on a customs union?

 

[Cid]

As an aside, as it originally came out Kyle's proposal was to pass the current WA on the promise of a 2nd ref.

Wasn't it a confirmatory ref though?

 

[danny la rouge]

 

[agricola]

Wasn't it a confirmatory ref though?

Not really, it was Remain vs her deal IIRC.

 

[danny la rouge]

But maybe the backstop part of it can be rendered irrelevant by further political agreement on a customs union?

If you’ve thought of something sensible or even just internally coherent, it won’t be that.

 

[Cid]

Wow, looks like she might actually try for a cross-party deal and abandon the ERG. Which is what she should have done months ago obviously. But I thought she'd never get to it. Still, a lot of things could still go tits-up, and maybe it is all just a performance, but it is the first glimmer of sanity she's shown for a while.

That's um... optimistic I think.

 

[redsquirrel]

If she offers Corbyn Customs Union + 'workers rights', she's got it.
The ERG have finally lost.

That would split the Tories though surely.

I read it more as an PR exercise but an attempt to get her deal through as the least unpopular option.

If she and Corbyn cannot agree a unified approach, May says, then a series of options for the future relationship would be put to the Commons in a series of votes. The prime minister adds that the government would abide by the decision of the house – but only if Labour did so too.

 

[Cid]

Not really, it was Remain vs her deal IIRC.

Motion E: Confirmatory public vote
Proposers: Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson, Labour

Result: 280 votes for and 292 votes against

This gives the public a vote to approve any Brexit deal passed by Parliament, before it can be implemented.

e2a: removed link as it was to live page.

 

[Cid]

That would split the Tories though surely.

Has their ever been an option that doesn't split them?

 

[redsquirrel]

Has their ever been an option that doesn't split them?

May's deal. Yes a lot of them aren't keen on it but the great majority can swallow it.

 

[brogdale]

That would split the Tories though surely.

I read it more as an PR exercise but an attempt to get her deal through as the least unpopular option.

That's what she's just done.
Over to the swivel-eyed...have they got the balls to walk?

 

[andysays]

That would split the Tories though surely.

It would, and Corbyn must know that.

His job now is to make an argument, over May's head if necessary, for something which would command a majority in parliament, but which would split the Tories, and force May gently down that road.

 

[Cid]

May's deal. Yes a lot of them aren't keen on it but the great majority can swallow it.

Well... The ERG don't seem to have come round yet. Though fair enough, they have might come round enough to avoid an outright split.

I'm inclined to agree that this is just to get to MV4 runoff.

 

[Cid]

Imagine sitting in a fucking 7 hour meeting to come out with that.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

She wants a compromise cross party agreement that is her withdrawal agreement. Has anything of substance changed?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

It would, and Corbyn must know that.

His job now is to make an argument, over May's head if necessary, for something which would command a majority in parliament, but which would split the Tories, and force May gently down that road.

Fucking hell rather him than me

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Imagine sitting in a fucking 7 hour meeting to come out with that.

This is my response to much of day to day local/national gov work tbf

 

[agricola]

e2a: removed link as it was to live page.

thats what it was last night, but in its initial form it was her deal vs remain

 

[maomao]

It almost seems reasonable except the bit about it having to include her withdrawal agreement. That just makes it looks like a desparate attempt to put some of the blame on Corbyn.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It almost seems reasonable except the bit about it having to include her withdrawal agreement. That just makes it looks like a desparate attempt to put some of the blame on Corbyn.

The brian clough approach to compromise. We sat down and talked it through and decided that I was right.

 

[Cid]

It almost seems reasonable except the bit about it having to include her withdrawal agreement. That just makes it looks like a desparate attempt to put some of the blame on Corbyn.

I think the reasonable element of it only comes in the context of utter intransigence up to this point.

And yeah, including the WA diminishes even that crumb.

 

[andysays]

According to this, it might not be just about her deal

In a statement from Downing Street, Mrs May said she wanted to agree a new plan with Mr Corbyn and put it to a vote in the Commons before 10 April - when the EU will hold an emergency summit on Brexit. If they do not agree a single way forward, she proposed putting a number of options to MPs "to determine which course to pursue".

 

[Steel Icarus]

And round we go

 

[danny la rouge]

According to this, it might not be just about her deal

The reply to all of this every time is “Oh for fuck sake”.