BREXIT Crunch time (part 38) WTF is going to happen next?

[kebabking]

Yep that's my understanding.

Voting against that makes me wonder what exactly the tig/tinge think they stand for...

The Guardian.

they seem rather like the ardent brexiteers - they would prefer to lose everything and remain (ha! geddit!) the Keepers of The Sacred Torch of Truth than be involved in some grubby compromise where they get some of what they want and some of what they don't.

 

[andysays]

Yes. They voted for everything except customs union.

It's consistent enough of them. TIG voted against both CU and CM2. They're going the purist route, and held the balance in both those votes.

DUP (lol) voted against all four choices and May's deal last Friday.

Thanks.

 

[Ming]

Do fuck off

Joke, Pinto. Keep your hair on.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The Guardian.

they seem rather like the ardent brexiteers - they would prefer to lose everything and remain (ha! geddit!) the Keepers of The Sacred Torch of Truth than be involved in some grubby compromise where they get some of what they want and some of what they don't.

Yes. I think they think they represent the 6 million who signed that petition. Well I signed that petition, but I would accept the compromise of CU2 to protect immigrants. Don't know how many others would too - possibly quite a few. Mind you, danny la rouge signed that petition. Stupid petition.

 

[andysays]

Yes. I think they think they represent the 6 million who signed that petition. Well I signed that petition, but I would accept the compromise of CU2 to protect immigrants. Don't know how many others would too - possibly quite a few. Mind you, danny la rouge signed that petition. Stupid petition.

danny la rouge will sign any petition, more than once if possible

 

[Pickman's model]

danny la rouge will sign any petition, more than once if possible

he signed a petition about his local swimming pool 837 times out of the 842 signatures they received.

this was a physical petition tho

 

[kabbes]

Joke, Pinto. Keep your hair on.

No, fuck off. Contributing to an atmosphere in which people are encouraged to feel shame of their bodies not conforming to your standards of beauty is not a “joke”. It’s being a twat.

 

[andysays]

he signed a petition about his local swimming pool 837 times out of the 842 signatures they received.

this was a physical petition tho

The way I heard it was there were two petitions and he signed the one supporting the swimming pool 419 times and the one opposing it 418 times.

But that's a subject for another thread...

 

[Winot]

Yes. I think they think they represent the 6 million who signed that petition. Well I signed that petition, but I would accept the compromise of CU2 to protect immigrants. Don't know how many others would too - possibly quite a few.

Same for me.

 

[ska invita]

I think it would have made May bringing in meaningless vote 4 much harder/impossible. I'm not totally sure CM2 really does go against most Tory MP wishes. There's been an extraordinary upsurge of hard brexit lunacy in the Tory parliamentary party in recent weeks. It's like a virus. I can't believe they actually prefer crash out to soft brexit. Many of them actually, really want revoke.

If May brings MV4, all I can hope is that the DUP continues to do what it does best. God help us, we need the DUP to stand firm.

With the Tories a lot if it is pure positioning for sure. But theres no way this Tory government could lead the implementation of CM2 at this point.
I think DUP wont budge

 

[newbie]

The way I heard it was there were two petitions and he signed the one supporting the swimming pool 419 times and the one opposing it 418 times.

But that's a subject for another thread...

it fits here. Yesterday Bercow said that anyone going into both the aye and noe lobbies would have their votes discounted.

 

[Ming]

No, fuck off. Contributing to an atmosphere in which people are encouraged to feel shame of their bodies not conforming to your standards of beauty is not a “joke”. It’s being a twat.

Well the guy with the jock strap did appear to have a big cock though?

 

[Argonia]

Is there another vote on Wednesday or something?

 

[Wilf]

Well the guy with the jock strap did appear to have a big cock though?

Give it a rest, eh?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is there another vote on Wednesday or something?

there are votes every wednesday until theresa may gets her way

 

[kebabking]

...I think DUP wont budge

I think DUP would be very happy if it all got revoked - they get to do the whole 'Noooooooo!' betrayal stuff, brexit doesn't happen - which will please their constituants - and they get extra brownie (orangy?) points for standing up for the union.

 

[Wilf]

there are votes every wednesday until theresa may gets her way

By ancient prophesy it is foretold that when May puts her deal to the Commons the same number of times that there are Police Academy films, it will pass.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think DUP would be very happy if it all got revoked - they get to do the whole 'Noooooooo!' betrayal stuff, brexit doesn't happen - which will please their constituants - and they get extra brownie (orangy?) points for standing up for the union.

they won't get brownie points as they still remember who wrote under that name in an phoblacht/republican news

 

[Pickman's model]

Spoiler

 

[SpackleFrog]

As I said above, I reckon a positive vote for something, anything, last night could have been enough, but it's hard to see much beyond a GE being acceptable now.

I'm sure they'd take a referendum or a change in PM.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I think it would have made May bringing in meaningless vote 4 much harder/impossible. I'm not totally sure CM2 really does go against most Tory MP wishes. There's been an extraordinary upsurge of hard brexit lunacy in the Tory parliamentary party in recent weeks. It's like a virus. I can't believe they actually prefer crash out to soft brexit. Many of them actually, really want revoke.

If May brings MV4, all I can hope is that the DUP continues to do what it does best. God help us, we need the DUP to stand firm.

I don't think you need to worry too much about the DUP blinking to be fair.

Do snakes blink?

 

[Flavour]

As a matter of curiosity... when was the last time the DUP voted in favour of anything in the House of Commons? Must be months ago.

 

[kebabking]

I'm sure they'd take a referendum or a change in PM.

they'd take a referendum if the legislastion could go through in 10 days or whatever.

they are however stuck with the problem of the European elections - they have some flexibility with timings up until the begining of July, which is when the new MEP's take their seats, but the EU is flapping about a series of short extentions to get this or that done - the MEP's take their seats in early July, and the (then) formerly UK seats will have been dished out to other states. the EU isn't particularly worried about an extension that takes up up into June per se, but worries that it would then roll over into another extension. to be strictly fair, i see their point. the current extension hasn't really produced anything, so more extensions are just kicking the can down the road rather than achieving much.

 

[Pickman's model]

they'd take a referendum if the legislastion could go through in 10 days or whatever.

they are however stuck with the problem of the European elections - they have some flexibility with timings up until the begining of July, which is when the new MEP's take their seats, but the EU is flapping about a series of short extentions to get this or that done - the MEP's take their seats in early July, and the (then) formerly UK seats will have been dished out to other states. the EU isn't particularly worried about an extension that takes up up into June per se, but worries that it would then roll over into another extension. to be strictly fair, i see their point. the current extension hasn't really produced anything, so more extensions are just kicking the can down the road rather than achieving much.

i thought at first this road was whitehall but the can's gone so far down the road i can only conclude it's yonge street, which has a length of 1178 miles from lake shore in toronto to the rainy river

 

[Pickman's model]

As a matter of curiosity... when was the last time the DUP voted in favour of anything in the House of Commons? Must be months ago.

they've fairly consistently voted for a bigger mess for theresa may

 

[andysays]

I'm sure they'd take a referendum or a change in PM.

Agreed, but neither of those seem terribly likely before April 12.

I reckon Parliament had their best chance yesterday to find an alternative which might actually get a majority give the EU enough of a reason for an extension, and they blew it.

Unless they get their act together on Wednesday, they're back being powerless onlookers as much as the rest us.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Agreed, but neither of those seem terribly likely before April 12.

I reckon Parliament had their best chance yesterday to find an alternative which might actually get a majority give the EU enough of a reason for an extension, and they blew it.

Unless they get their act together on Wednesday, they're back being powerless onlookers as much as the rest us.

I am a little surprised by how few Tories voted for CM2. It is surely a preferred option of many of their business pals, not to mention city finance types. Do they still hope to get May's deal through? Or is this purely about avoiding a GE at all costs?

 

[Sprocket.]

Just listening to Beth Rigby Sky news saying first indication from the five hour cabinet marathon is May is going to push for MV4.

 

[andysays]

I am a little surprised by how few Tories voted for CM2. It is surely a preferred option of many of their business pals, not to mention city finance types. Do they still hope to get May's deal through? Or is this purely about avoiding a GE at all costs?

It's about attempting to juggle a number of different and potentially irreconcilable interests, including their own personal future and the future of their party.

For many/most, both those are way more important than the trivial matter of what type of Brexit we end up with...

 

[cupid_stunt]

MPs push to prevent no-deal Brexit in law

A cross-party group of MPs has put forward a bill to prevent a no-deal Brexit in 10 days' time.

If passed into law, the bill would require the PM to ask for an extension of Article 50 - which mandates the UK's exit date from the EU - beyond the current 12 April deadline.

Labour MP Yvette Cooper presented the bill for debate on Wednesday.