BREXIT Crunch time (part 38) WTF is going to happen next?

[Pickman's model]

As I said above, I reckon a positive vote for something, anything, last night could have been enough, but it's hard to see much beyond a GE being acceptable now.

and that's been broadly ruled out because of the interest in the conservative party in not suffering a disastrous defeat

 

[Sasaferrato]

Why the fucking SNP did not support a customs union escapes me. Had they supported it, that would have been successful.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why the fucking SNP did not support a customs union escapes me. Had they supported it, that would have been successful.

because they don't really want to leave at all, i suppose

 

[cupid_stunt]

Why the fucking SNP did not support a customs union escapes me. Had they supported it, that would have been successful.

Because they are twats?

 

[Kaka Tim]

barnier is shroud waving about no deal to try scare parliament into resolving the situation.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

As I said above, I reckon a positive vote for something, anything, last night could have been enough, but it's hard to see much beyond a GE being acceptable now.

Mm, I agree, but I do not think there will be one. I can totally see may landing everyone in the shit as a final "fuck you all, you cunts" and letting the deadline pass.

She seems quite vindictive, from her record in the home office.

 

[andysays]

barnier is shroud waving about no deal to try scare parliament into resolving the situation.

Possibly, but TBH, parliament had a great chance last night to take a significant step towards resolving the situation and...

 

[Sasaferrato]

Because they are twats?

Well, that's a given, but as they want as close ties to the EU as possible, why not support a customs union. Fucking wankers.

 

[andysays]

because they don't really want to leave at all, i suppose

Also, a No Deal exit would increase the chance of a successful Indy Ref 2, I guess

 

[killer b]

Well, that's a given, but as they want as close ties to the EU as possible, why not support a customs union. Fucking wankers.

I think it interferes with their long-term strategic goal of independence

 

[Sasaferrato]

and that's been broadly ruled out because of the interest in the conservative party in not suffering a disastrous defeat

Were Labour all singing from the same hymn sheet, I would agree. I don't think a GE would solve anything at the moment.

 

[Poi E]

5 lib dems voted against it. Surely they deserve your ire more, Sas?

 

[Sasaferrato]

I think it interferes with their long-term strategic goal of independence

That is dead. Every poll at the moment shows no appetite for a second referendum, and they will be gone after the 2021 elections anyway.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think it interferes with their long-term strategic goal of independence

Indeed. The DUP support brexit, but in reality revoke is the best thing for their long-term goal of NOOOO!, while the SNP oppose brexit, but in reality a hard brexit is the best thing for their long-term goal of IndyRef2. Ah brexit.

 

[Sprocket.]

they'd got a quote from a glazier first and it was very dear to replace the windows.

Not surprised, from the illustration it looks like it may well be a listed building!

 

[cupid_stunt]

Well, that's a given, but as they want as close ties to the EU as possible, why not support a customs union. Fucking wankers.

I think Scottish voters have a great sense of humour.

Vote to stay part of the UK, then in the next GE elect 56 SNP MPs. Vote to stay in the EU, then in the next GE elect only 35 SNP MPs, bloody funny.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not surprised, from the illustration it looks like it may well be a listed building!

it's the hradcin in prague i believe

 

[Sprocket.]

a defenestration recently

OT. I still think this would make a brilliant jigsaw puzzle! Ravensburger being a possible provider!

 

[ska invita]

Well, that's a given, but as they want as close ties to the EU as possible, why not support a customs union. Fucking wankers.

The SNP want freedom of movement to remain - Customs Union does not protect that, only Common Market option does that.
They actively encourage people to move to Scotland from other countries.
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[Sprocket.]

it's the hradcin in prague i believe

If historical accuracy is being followed.

 

[andysays]

The SNP want freedom of movement to remain - Customs Union does not protect that, only Common Market option does that.
They actively encourage people to move to Scotland from other countries.
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Did they vote for CM2?

 

[Cid]

I’m erring toward long extension I think... the prospect is there (contingent on a major shakeup), which kind of means no reason to back mv3. Even with this possibility of a confirmatory referendum (ha!).

 

[ska invita]

Did they vote for CM2?

no idea

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Did they vote for CM2?

Yes. They voted for everything except customs union.

It's consistent enough of them. TIG voted against both CU and CM2. They're going the purist route, and held the balance in both those votes.

DUP (lol) voted against all four choices and May's deal last Friday.

 

[ska invita]

Yes. They voted for everything except customs union.

makes sense


also by extension Common Market is the only option that stops Settled Status process

 

[littlebabyjesus]

makes sense


also by extension Common Market is the only option that stops Settled Status process

Yep that's my understanding.

Voting against that makes me wonder what exactly the tig/tinge think they stand for. If they had gone for that option (and they would have just tipped it over the line), they could still subsequently have pushed for a referendum once an extension was in place. They have shades of the DUP about them tbh. SNP at least showed a degree of pragmatism.

 

[danny la rouge]

That's a matter of opinion. Telling me that I shouldn't wish to discuss what I see as a racially loaded term doesn't really wash.

You’re getting the wrong end of several sticks, and we’re at crosses purposes all together.

We can call the new grouping anything the thread decides. They’re not worth my time or effort.

 

[danny la rouge]

That's partly the point i think, it's not something that needs any more attention that it already has... Even if it's just some randoms googling after hearing someone say it. It's the risk of a kind of steady trickle of far right language into every day speech.

Whatever.

 

[ska invita]

Yep that's my understanding.

Voting against that makes me wonder what exactly the tig/tinge think they stand for. If they had gone for that option (and they would have just tipped it over the line), they could still subsequently have pushed for a referendum once an extension was in place. They have shades of the DUP about them tbh. SNP at least showed a degree of pragmatism.

Even if CM2 had passed Im not convinced that the process that would lead to it being implemented would be much different from where we are today. CM2 goes against Mays lines and msot Tory MP wishes - I expect it would've led to a general election anyway
?
who knows

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Even if CM2 had passed Im not convinced that the process that would lead to it being implemented would be much different from where we are today. CM2 goes against Mays lines and msot Tory MP wishes - I expect it would've led to a general election anyway
?
who knows

I think it would have made May bringing in meaningless vote 4 much harder/impossible. I'm not totally sure CM2 really does go against most Tory MP wishes. There's been an extraordinary upsurge of hard brexit lunacy in the Tory parliamentary party in recent weeks. It's like a virus. I can't believe they actually prefer crash out to soft brexit. Many of them actually, really want revoke.

If May brings MV4, all I can hope is that the DUP continues to do what it does best. God help us, we need the DUP to stand firm.