8ball
Decolonise colons!
I think Raab's plan is going to be "do absolutely nothing".
Looked like he was bricking it himself on the telly last night.
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I think Raab's plan is going to be "do absolutely nothing".
Looked like he was bricking it himself on the telly last night.
Absolutely, but this is Amazon and they hate incurring added costs with a vengeance.
We’ve had gloves provided for about a month now but often they run out, face masks only on one occasion, but now they seem to have plenty of hand wipe packs.
The social distancing advice has been scrappy and vague at first but has solidified more recently into something coherent.
And to be sure - Amazon give zero fucks about the welfare of drivers - less than zero - their main objective is to be able to seamlessly operate throughout this pandemic and make a bonus dividend profit off the back of it.
If they genuinely gave a fraction of an inch of a fuck they would reduce the volume of the routes on the drivers - but they are still ‘9hr’ routes - I went out today with over 200 parcels again. To maintain that level of pace required - mistakes can be made but Amazon don’t care.
Just noticed this is the Boris thread so I’ll stop this diversion now.
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Silly Rabbit
thank you Sir Smokeandsteam
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Rebelda
Nearly as bad as Badgers
so, maybe 
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
You should join a union Marty , you dont have to make a big announcement about it , you can keep it schtum , and unions have people with all sorts of political views and many with none, think of ot as having a legal adviser that you can consult with if needed.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Actually I dont care if theres a diversion on a thread on a Tory Prime Ministers health to try and protect a poster who is working in potentially a hazardous work place.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
I'm a rep, but in Marty1's case... nah...
Can you (or anyone else reading this) recommend any particular union that would be a good match to my ‘profession’?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
little_legs
Поехали!
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Should be ashamed of yourself . Unions dont recruit or get better conditions for members by exclusion they do it by uniting
UrbaneFox
They've doubled in price
The Government's Herd Immunity strategy was to let Covid19 go through the population so that people would recover and be immune next year. Govt was happy that 29 million people would get ill, and that 250,000 people would DIE.
They abandoned this mid-March when scientists at Imperial College showed that the numbers would be worse if they tried this because patients would need ventilators and specialist staff who don't exist because of cuts, plus not enough graveyards, masks, gloves etc.
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Yes. Definitely GMB.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
suggested the IWW for you earlier Join the IWW - Industrial Workers of the World (IWW)
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
in general, while you're pretty much free to join any trade union who considers you eligible for membership, it's best to join the recognised union in your workplace if there is one (as the personnel bloke said when i started at camden council, "you can join the national union of mineworkers if you feel so inclined, but we recognise and talk to NALGO")
if there isn't a recognised trade union, then one that already has some members in your workplace / business / line of work is the next best thing.
yes - GMB are at least trying with amazon. (i've no personal experience with them - never worked somewhere they were the right union to join)
it's all a bit chicken and egg. you are not going to get proper union recognition / collective bargaining in a workplace where a small handful of employees are union members. the employers (and their political friends) will try to persuade you that this means there's no point in joining a union, but the only way any union is going to get any influence at a workplace is if enough people join.
you do not have to tell your employer you're joining, you can pay subscriptions by standing order.
if - for whatever political reason - you do not want to join the labour party affiliated fund, you don't have to.
I don't know a lot about the IWW but it does appear that they have some representation with amazon / contractor drivers, although they seem more active in London and the south east.
ska invita
back on the other side
Heres a plausible answer to that question:
The Coronavirus Crisis: Herd Immunity has Infected UK Policy – But Who Was Patient Zero for this Toxic Transatlantic Idea?
Peter Jukes finds more evidence that the origin of the disastrous concept can be traced back to the Prime Minister's chief advisor Dominic Cummings and his US links.
bylinetimes.com
particularly so from the "Enter Dominic Cummings" section towards the end
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
I don't represent fash cunts or their fellow travellers. Fuck him.
Edit, ordinarily, I'd agree with you but there are exceptions and this is definitely an exception.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Maybe "fash cunts" (and I've no idea if Marty1 is actually one) would be less likely to stay fash cunts if it wasn't for cunts like you being, well... cunts.
But then again, maybe your politics are more about making your self feel morally feel superior to others, rather than bringing people over to a more reasonable viewpoint. In which case I guess you're succeeding, so good for you.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I don't think it's strictly accurate to call herd immunity a disastrous concept. It is a very real thing and is often used in mathematical modelling of diseases. I do agree that it is not, not has ever been, used in public health in the absence of a vaccine.Heres a plausible answer to that question:
The Coronavirus Crisis: Herd Immunity has Infected UK Policy – But Who Was Patient Zero for this Toxic Transatlantic Idea?
Peter Jukes finds more evidence that the origin of the disastrous concept can be traced back to the Prime Minister's chief advisor Dominic Cummings and his US links.
particularly so from the "Enter Dominic Cummings" section towards the end
The best demonstration of herd immunity is measles. Due to extensive vaccination programmes this disease was virtually eradicated in many countries, with the population becoming immune. Those that could not have the vaccine were protected as the level of herd immunity was high enough. However, once uptake of the measles vaccine dropped, herd immunity decreased and measles has begun to take hold again.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Thanks. theres some food for thought in there however theres also a lot of conjecture.My initial query was about the how the government made the desion ie what was the specialist health advice, was it overuled etc. I'm sure that politicians have their own theories and what ever specialist advice is given its very often either given in a way that is politically acceptable or if not its often goes through a political filter when discussed by politicians.Heres a plausible answer to that question:
The Coronavirus Crisis: Herd Immunity has Infected UK Policy – But Who Was Patient Zero for this Toxic Transatlantic Idea?
Peter Jukes finds more evidence that the origin of the disastrous concept can be traced back to the Prime Minister's chief advisor Dominic Cummings and his US links.
particularly so from the "Enter Dominic Cummings" section towards the end
This article below , warning its long but a pacy read, gives a fascinating time table of events and examines the relationship between competing medical advice and the political , how or if it was conveyed and the resulting political decsions .
Special Report: Johnson listened to his scientists about coronavirus - but they were slow to sound the alarm
It was early spring when British scientists laid out the bald truth to their government. It was "highly likely," they said, that there was now "sustained transmission" of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom.
www.reuters.com
Smoking kills
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Maybe he just wanted you to shout "Out, Out, Out".
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
As a policy, it is a disastrous concept. As a policy, it means accepting full defeat to the virus from the start. The contrast with vaccinations programmes is relevant, I would have thought, because the real comparison isn't to a policy of enough people getting a measles vaccination for herd immunity. The real comparison would be to a policy to tackle the problem of measles by giving the majority of the population measles within a very short space of time.
elbows
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This article below , warning its long but a pacy read, gives a fascinating time table of events and examines the relationship between competing medical advice and the political , how or if it was conveyed and the resulting political decsions .
Special Report: Johnson listened to his scientists about coronavirus - but they were slow to sound the alarm
It was early spring when British scientists laid out the bald truth to their government. It was "highly likely," they said, that there was now "sustained transmission" of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom.
Its pretty good. It mirrors my understanding of events as we discussed them here at the time, and adds a few details I was not previously aware of. The main tricks it missed are the extent to which the orthodox pandemic planning was based on the same things the EU Centre for Disease Control came out with in the past and right up until the moment that article describes as when Italian lockdown 'opened up policy space'. This was the period I repeatedly went on about as being the death of the orthodox approach, once I finally noticed it had happened. And although it sort of mentions it, the article also failed to really do justice to how little the initial contain, test, trace phase was actually expected to really contain things.
For example there is this bit:
But early modelling always suggested many travel-related cases would be missed. Making every effort to catch every case is something that is often attempted without actually expecting to really catch every case. And our efforts in that regard were hardly impressive. People kidding themselves that something was more than it really was is one of the kinds of mistakes made during that period. In the same way that we sometimes come up with arbitrary definition of something, and then later forget that was a creation done for our own practical reasons, not a concrete guide to how the virus actually behaves. For example, they had to pick a definition for what counted as a close contact, and settled on certain situations having to last for 15 minutes in order to count as close contact. Well, these are not rules the virus has to respect at all.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
If I were to see him doing summat besides trolling with his right wing bollocks, I might be of a mind to give a helping hand. In the absence of any genuine move to a more reasonable view point, he can get to fuck. By the way, I'm also usually "too busy" to help out out those who scabbed when we were on strike. I'm not here to provide a service to cunts who'd stab their workmates in the back as soon as look at them. The day Marty1 shows a move to reasonableness, I'll help.
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
This is interesting
Edit: someone has posted this above too
Special Report: Johnson listened to his scientists about coronavirus - but they were slow to sound the alarm
It was early spring when British scientists laid out the bald truth to their government. It was "highly likely," they said, that there was now "sustained transmission" of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom.
mobile.reuters.com
RedRedRose
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I got message to a message to say he was dead. Can't see its source anywhere.
editor
hiraethified
There's not even anything on Twitter so either your source is deep within his inner circle or it's a bag o'shite fake news.
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