Birmingham Bin Strike//Care Workers news and discussion

[The Flying Pig]

The beardies are scabbing and should be treated as such. The bosses lackies end of....

 

[cybershot]

Those suggesting they drop it at Council HQ are obviously ignorant of the law on fly tipping and the cradle to grave responsibility for waste in this country, but I wont stoop to the levels of others and call them clueless.

But there's a nice ironicness (appreciate not a word and prob wrong word anyway) considering the amount of flytipping that goes on in Brum unpunished.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

A nice irony, it would be.

 

[muscovyduck]

Instagram page up for all your overflowing bin photo needs - @ birminghambinsta . Spotted a photo of a large pile outside Jack Dromney MP's office which is on a semi-residential street.

Edit: Hyperlink because I couldn't get the photo thing to work:

 

[Dogsauce]

Actually given the general lack of action about actual fly tipping that happens all the fucking time round here ("oh, more flytipping in this exact same location? Hey, we'll put up some signs saying NO FLYTIPPING £1,000 FINE!!!... What's that? They've flytipped again, under the sign? oh, we'll we're out of ideas then") there might be riots if they actually prosecuted someone for flytipping this rubbish outside the council house.

Ha, I know that council attitude well. I used to complain frequently about stuff tipped on the park by my house (usually by the local scum landlords clearing stuff out after tenants moved on). Had some response along the lines of 'we're trying to get funding for a sign'. When the shiny sign eventually went up it was ripped down by the local scumbags the same night and stuck on a big bonfire of tipped waste. Fire brigade wouldn't put it out either because it was 'controlled burning' with people in attendance. Hopeless cunts all round.

 

[Tom A]

Nice bit of deja vu here - reminding me of the 2014 Brighton bin workers' strike and the controversy when Caroline Lucas participated in a "community clean-up" and was denounced as a scab (at the time, the council was run by the Greens, who subsequently fell to third place in the following year's local elections). The same hand-wringing and apologia for the scabbing took place back then, too.

 

[ddraig]

Class War getting called racist for using the name the group gave themselves
also scab apologists aplenty

 

[IMRAN Hameed]

By posing as a community-led effort. If they cared about the community then surely they should be supporting members of it who are on strike rather than aiding the council's attack on their wages?

These people are cleaning up their own streets after the bins strike

They are cleaning up their streets and the bin men are with them see their video on facebook to prove it, council needs to take its finger out and get these guys back on the job, the bin men are great people trust me I know, iave helped pick up the rubbish and its a nasty job Bearded Broz

 

[J Ed]

They are cleaning up their streets and the bin men are with them see their video on facebook to prove it, council needs to take its finger out and get these guys back on the job, the bin men are great people trust me I know, iave helped pick up the rubbish and its a nasty job Bearded Broz

Hi Imran, you have linked to a page full of a series of people who are calling you scabs and telling you to stop undermining the strike. There is a video in the comments of someone saying he is part of your group and he is talking in front of a picket line, saying that the union who represents the workers supports what you are doing, but nothing from the actual workers themselves.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I think it could be difficult for workers to go on record calling people scabs. Could lead to disciplinary hearings - their employer would rub their hands at the prospect of being able to just get rid of anyone perceived as being agitators.

 

[alan_]

I am prepared to call people scabs on behalf of anybody else who does not feel able to because of disciplinary hearings etc.

 

[William of Walworth]

New to this thread, and I've never lived in Birmingham, but I've just read all eight pages.

One thing not so far mentioned is how a BBC Breakfast "report" the other morning was treating the Bearded Bros action as if it a heroic local community support thing. Without giving any information whatsover about why and how the strike had come about in the first place.

Unsurprising from the BBC, obviously, but that "scabs are heroes" report immediately pissed me off.

I always start with the standing assumption that all strikes are provoked by management. Striking's an utterly last resort for most unions/their members, is anything different here?
(Also, how much publicity is there that this isn't even a full-time strike ).

Just to clarify too, I wouldn't even care if it wasn't a last resort strike, I'd support it unconditionally anyway, but in this case as in pretty much all cases, the bosses/management bear the full blame for it.

Nothing I've seen in this thread or in the links posted -- I've read almost all the links -- stops me agreeing : what these Bros are doing amounts to full-on scabbery (however "well intentioned").

 

[William of Walworth]

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[William of Walworth]

Forgot to post that if anyone missed this link earlier in the thread, and it's a piece written by an actual Birmingham striker in this dispute, I fully recommend that they read it

 

[Smokeandsteam]

They are cleaning up their streets and the bin men are with them see their video on facebook to prove it, council needs to take its finger out and get these guys back on the job, the bin men are great people trust me I know, iave helped pick up the rubbish and its a nasty job Bearded Broz

I read with interest that the Tories in Birmingham , and the local rag, have formally come out in support of the Bearded Broz tonight Imran.

I note also the new line you've adopted about supporting the binmen.

Shame you've had to be forced down that road by your political sponsors, and given you've now been adopted by the Tories as plucky community minded heroes a bit too little too late wouldn't you say pal?

 

[Streathamite]

The best option would be for local residents to organise together to move all their rubbish outside the council offices and make a statement saying they support the strike.

Absolutely love that suggestion

 

[Cid]

I know how you feel Casually Red - make a good suggestion, then some other bastard goes for it and everyone else assumes it's theirs'...

Best way to do it would be a kind of waste convoy - decent number of vehicles and the council is less likely to finger individuals for fines.

 

[Casually Red]

Yes most public sector strikes, and this one in particluar, doesn't disrupt the flow of capital, so the impact is only ever going to be socially felt. But in your explanation you take the vantage point of the employer.

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Do I hell , I stated from the very beginning ..,first on this thread to say it..the rubbish should be dumped on their employers ..whether their offices , private homes or both . I want the bin men to win their dispute hands down . No ifs or buts . Any reading of my posts on this issue should be very clear I'm looking at it from the vantage point of working class people living in a rat infested stinking rubbish tip .

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I know how you feel Casually Red - make a good suggestion, then some other bastard goes for it and everyone else assumes it's theirs'...

Maybe he should have patented the idea before tens of others suggested the same thing as it's the obvious thing to do?

 

[Nice one]

Maybe he should have patented the idea before tens of others suggested the same thing as it's the obvious thing to do?

Or indeed had been done already by lefty activists in a symbolic gesture of support for the strike.

 

[Artaxerxes]

If its not cleaned this is how you get all sorts of nasty diseases.

So yeah, it needs cleaning up. God knows parts of Birmingham are filthy enough without no rubbish collection for 5-6 weeks.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

There's no reports of anyone getting nasty diseases though, is there?

 

[Ho Chi Ming]

Still no reports of scores of children infected by the miasma? Gosh, there'll be some disappointment here.

 

[Nigel]

The Bearded Broz are led by a convicted terrorist - Shahid Butt.

From Red Action:

This is a 'hearts and minds' PR exercise by religious sectarian extremists led by a convicted terrorist. They've gone out of their way to claim that they are not political, when in fact their motives are entirely political and aimed not only at undermining the bin workers strike but elevating themselves in the eyes of the local community. Beware the wolf in sheep's clothing.

British Jihadis: Is Extremism Widespread In UK?

Not to mention allegations of his links and association with Robert Lambert !
https://ueaeprints.uea.ac.uk/53460/1/British_Jihadism_The_Detail_and_The_Denial.pdf

 

[The39thStep]

Not to mention allegations of his links and association with Robert Lambert !
https://ueaeprints.uea.ac.uk/53460/1/British_Jihadism_The_Detail_and_The_Denial.pdf

Where is that allegation in the 270 pages?

 

[Nigel]

Where is that allegation in the 270 pages?

From about page 64 onwards; it's very tenuous. In connection with Salma Yahoo, Yemen and her brother & co. arrested there; apparently going their to attend religious 'lectures',
BBC News | UK | Yemen Britons' lawyer alleges 'flagrant abuse'
A lot of stuff surrounding Birmingham Central Mosque & MCU doesn't appear to be on the internet any more; either that or I'm not looking in the right places.
"A more intellectual analysis comes from career Special Branch officer Robert
Lambert. Lambert founded and led the Metropolitan Police Muslim Contact Unit
(MCU), before retiring to a career in academia a. His article “Salafi and Islamist
Londoners: Stigmatised Minority Faith Communities Countering Al-Qaeda” (2008)
serves as a precursor to some of the arguments in “Countering Al-Qaeda in London:
Police and Muslims in Partnership” (2011).
Lambert argues some Sufi Muslims in Britain have looked to direct islamophobia
towards rival Muslims such as Wahhabis (Lambert, 2008, 211) and that Islamist and
Salafi Londoners are far more likely to be equated with terrorism than those following
other strands of Islam. Here, Lambert adopts the language, not of counter terrorism
but of youth work. He sees young people in these communities as “at risk” from Al
Qaeda propaganda. Lambert concludes: “Salafism and Islamism, as causal or
predictive factors, are no more significant to the profile of an Al-Qaeda terrorist than
Catholicism was to the profile of a Provisional IRA member” (Lambert, 2008, 38)."

 

[The39thStep]

From about page 64 onwards; it's very tenuous. In connection with Salma Yahoo, Yemen and her brother & co. arrested there; apparently going their to attend religious 'lectures',
BBC News | UK | Yemen Britons' lawyer alleges 'flagrant abuse'
A lot of stuff surrounding Birmingham Central Mosque & MCU doesn't appear to be on the internet any more; either that or I'm not looking in the right places.
"A more intellectual analysis comes from career Special Branch officer Robert
Lambert. Lambert founded and led the Metropolitan Police Muslim Contact Unit
(MCU), before retiring to a career in academia a. His article “Salafi and Islamist
Londoners: Stigmatised Minority Faith Communities Countering Al-Qaeda” (2008)
serves as a precursor to some of the arguments in “Countering Al-Qaeda in London:
Police and Muslims in Partnership” (2011).
Lambert argues some Sufi Muslims in Britain have looked to direct islamophobia
towards rival Muslims such as Wahhabis (Lambert, 2008, 211) and that Islamist and
Salafi Londoners are far more likely to be equated with terrorism than those following
other strands of Islam. Here, Lambert adopts the language, not of counter terrorism
but of youth work. He sees young people in these communities as “at risk” from Al
Qaeda propaganda. Lambert concludes: “Salafism and Islamism, as causal or
predictive factors, are no more significant to the profile of an Al-Qaeda terrorist than
Catholicism was to the profile of a Provisional IRA member” (Lambert, 2008, 38)."

Ta. The 'at risk' phrase is part of the Prevent strategy btw

 

[Nigel]

Ta. The 'at risk' phrase is part of the Prevent strategy btw

Thanks

 

[nardy]

I'd sack the binmen tomorrow and recruit people who would work for the wages on offer. Of course the workers have a right to withdraw their labour. Likewise, the council have a right to withdraw their jobs.

 

[Nylock]

I'd sack the binmen tomorrow and recruit people who would work for the wages on offer. Of course the workers have a right to withdraw their labour. Likewise, the council have a right to withdraw their jobs.

Fuckinell you're clueless.