Birmingham Bin Strike//Care Workers news and discussion

[nardy]

Fuckinell you're clueless.

It's people like you who are clueless.

 

[Nylock]

It's people like you who are clueless.

Really, do explain under what legislation the council can fire all of the binmen then. Better yet, regale me on how you would sort it out yourself you pathetic pub bore.

 

[nardy]

Really, do explain under what legislation the council can fire all of the binmen then. Better yet, regale me on how you would sort it out yourself you pathetic pub bore.

Oh yes, you're absolutely right, legislation to sack in this instance may not exist, so let's suffer stinking shit, rats and an ever-growing public health menace. Come to thing of it, let's go the whole hog and have a general strike.

 

[Nylock]

From 'I have the answer' hard-man to 'general strike' hysteric. Fuck off and stop wasting people's time you sadsack.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I'd sack the binmen tomorrow and recruit people who would work for the wages on offer. Of course the workers have a right to withdraw their labour. Likewise, the council have a right to withdraw their jobs.

How would you like it if your employer decided to cut your wages by almost 25%?

Twat.

 

[purenarcotic]

So this could be going on until Christmas now. Thank god it's not really hot, keeps the smell down.

 

[BigTom]

I'd sack the binmen tomorrow and recruit people who would work for the wages on offer. Of course the workers have a right to withdraw their labour. Likewise, the council have a right to withdraw their jobs.

Quick! I'll race you to the bottom - GO!

 

[purenarcotic]

Oh yes, you're absolutely right, legislation to sack in this instance may not exist, so let's suffer stinking shit, rats and an ever-growing public health menace. Come to thing of it, let's go the whole hog and have a general strike.

So if you were facing job losses, pay cuts etc, you would like legislation in place for you to just be sacked as opposes to having the chance to fight for your future? Brilliant.

 

[butchersapron]

Oh yes, you're absolutely right, legislation to sack in this instance may not exist, so let's suffer stinking shit, rats and an ever-growing public health menace. Come to thing of it, let's go the whole hog and have a general strike.

So you're publicly calling for an end to the rule of law?

 

[Nylock]

Quick! I'll race you to the bottom - GO!

So if you were facing job losses, pay cuts etc, you would like legislation in place for you to just be sacked as opposes to having the chance to fight for your future? Brilliant.

So you're publicly calling for an end to the rule of law?

It's stuff like this that I was paraphrasing when I called you clueless nardy you bellend.

 

[ViolentPanda]

There's no reports of anyone getting nasty diseases though, is there?

No cholera, typhus or Weil's Disease yet, although I suspect that a few people have revisited their breakfast or lunch after copping the stench of rotting refuse.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Still no reports of scores of children infected by the miasma? Gosh, there'll be some disappointment here.

Don't fucking mock the miasma!!! It killed millions before cholera was discovered!!!

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'd sack the binmen tomorrow and recruit people who would work for the wages on offer. Of course the workers have a right to withdraw their labour. Likewise, the council have a right to withdraw their jobs.

No, legally the council have no such right, you twat.

 

[BigTom]

No cholera, typhus or Weil's Disease yet, although I suspect that a few people have revisited their breakfast or lunch after copping the stench of rotting refuse.

Cholera is water borne right? so am I right in thinking that unless the rubbish mixes with the water supply (which is won't, since Birmingham's water is supplied in from the Elan Valley), cholera (and other similar water borne diseases) are not possible?
It'd have to be airborne, cross infection from rats or someone consuming rubbish?
So as long as you keep kids away from things, and food prep areas clean, is Weil's disease likely?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Cholera is water borne right? so am I right in thinking that unless the rubbish mixes with the water supply (which is won't, since Birmingham's water is supplied in from the Elan Valley), cholera (and other similar water borne diseases) are not possible?
It'd have to be airborne, cross infection from rats or someone consuming rubbish?
So as long as you keep kids away from things, and food prep areas clean, is Weil's disease likely?

Cholera becomes an issue when ground water becomes "enriched" enough through faecal contamination to provide a good home for the bacterium. If the city's water supply is piped in, then only those using local wells and springs would be at risk.

Weil's Disease can be more of an issue, because it's about touching things that a rat has pissed on, and that could be virtually anything. As Casually Red has stated, rats are pretty much incontinent, so you'd pretty much have to stop your kids touching anything a rat might have wazzed on.

 

[BigTom]

Cholera becomes an issue when ground water becomes "enriched" enough through faecal contamination to provide a good home for the bacterium. If the city's water supply is piped in, then only those using local wells and springs would be at risk.

Weil's Disease can be more of an issue, because it's about touching things that a rat has pissed on, and that could be virtually anything. As Casually Red has stated, rats are pretty much incontinent, so you'd pretty much have to stop your kids touching anything a rat might have wazzed on.

ok, rats are basically a fact of life in Birmingham, before the bin strike, during it and no doubt afterwards as well. A city with lots of canals is always going to have lots of rats. They don't breed *that* quickly either so I guess there is increased risk as they are bolder but it still doesn't feel like it's much of one. idk, clearly not clearing away rubbish leads to massive public health problems, but at the same time I feel like getting to that stage takes a long time - months to years, not days to weeks.
Lack of medical knowledge on my part though so could be totally wrong.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Weil's disease is transmitted through ingestion or via touching something infected with cut or graised skin. It can mostly be avoided through normal hygiene procedures.

 

[cupid_stunt]

ok, rats are basically a fact of life in Birmingham, before the bin strike, during it and no doubt afterwards as well. A city with lots of canals is always going to have lots of rats. They don't breed *that* quickly either so I guess there is increased risk as they are bolder but it still doesn't feel like it's much of one. idk, clearly not clearing away rubbish leads to massive public health problems, but at the same time I feel like getting to that stage takes a long time - months to years, not days to weeks.
Lack of medical knowledge on my part though so could be totally wrong.

Depends what you mean by 'quickly' -

• Black rats produce 5–10 young per litter, and have between 3–6 litters a year.
• The gestation period is about 3 weeks.
• It only takes between 12–16 weeks from birth for them to reach sexual maturity.

Common Rat Species | Rentokil Pest Control

 

[Magnus McGinty]

There's 40 cases tops annually with most coming back from overseas according to NHS Direct and only a small percentage of those are serious.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Depends what you mean by 'quickly' -

• Black rats produce 5–10 young per litter, and have between 3–6 litters a year.
• The gestation period is about 3 weeks.
• It only takes between 12–16 weeks from birth for them to reach sexual maturity.

Common Rat Species | Rentokil Pest Control

And then you have to factor in mortality rates and what new dangers they'd be exposed to by running around the streets.

 

[BigTom]

There's 40 cases tops annually with most coming back from overseas according to NHS Direct and only a small percentage of those are serious.

interesting, so it'd be pretty easy to see if there was an uptick in Weil's disease cases at least, as there probably shouldn't be more than a couple of cases per year in the various NHS trusts that cover Birmingham.

 

[purenarcotic]

This picture made me laugh, it's been 50 days since rubbish was last collected on the Northfield Road:

 

[nardy]

I assume that Birmingham employs the binmen directly, instead of using a waste disposal contractor, the services of which could be terminated in relatively short order.

 

[BigTom]

I assume that Birmingham employs the binmen directly, instead of using a waste disposal contractor, the services of which could be terminated in relatively short order.

Aside from the agency workers, yes they do. Veolia run some of the recycling / rubbish -> power plants.
You can't usually terminate a contract early without paying massive fees.
How would you feel about your employer cutting your wages by 25%?

 

[Ho Chi Ming]

I assume that Birmingham employs the binmen directly, instead of using a waste disposal contractor, the services of which could be terminated in relatively short order.

I'd like to see you terminated in relatively short order, you repellent little maggot.

 

[cybershot]

Saw the Google Streetmapping car today, perfect timing, Birmingham is going to look a right shit hole, haha.

 

[nardy]

How would you feel about your employer cutting your wages by 25%?

My employers cut my income by 100% quite often. My employers are clients, and the cuts occur when there's no work between projects.

It's called self-employment.

 

[nardy]

I'd like to see you terminated in relatively short order, you repellent little maggot.

A fair percentage of the general public, when faced by strikes by binmen, train drivers, et al, want to kick strikers' arses. Thus a fair percentage of the general public are, to you, repellent little maggots.

And that same percentage of the public would like to see lefties like you terminated in relatively short order.

 

[alan_]

My employers cut my income by 100% quite often. My employers are clients, and the cuts occur when there's no work between projects.

It's called self-employment.

If your clients are cutting your income by 100% quite often(your words) then you must be pretty shit at what you do. Added to that, is there no one who will be loyal to you when you are up against it. Why is that do you think?

A fair percentage of the general public, when faced by strikes by binmen, train drivers, et al, want to kick strikers' arses. Thus a fair percentage of the general public are, to you, repellent little maggots.

And that same percentage of the public would like to see lefties like you terminated in relatively short order.

I am afraid that I need to see some working out on this one. Whilst your answer may be entirely accurate, there are more points for how you reached that conclusion

 

[nardy]

If your clients are cutting your income by 100% quite often(your words) then you must be pretty shit at what you do. Added to that, is there no one who will be loyal to you when you are up against it. Why is that do you think?

Oh, ffs. The 100% cut means that, in self-employment, sometimes there's work from clients and sometimes there's NO work from clients. Peaks and troughs.

I am afraid that I need to see some working out on this one. Whilst your answer may be entirely accurate, there are more points for how you reached that conclusion

Jesus H Christ.