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Oh, ffs. The 100% cut means that, in self-employment, sometimes there's work from clients and sometimes there's NO work from clients. Peaks and troughs.
Jesus H Christ. :facepalm:
There is no H in Jesus Christ.
Think what you like about the hardworking binmen and the struggle they are presently having but when you take the name of our lord and saviour in vain, then you have crossed a line my friend
 
My employers cut my income by 100% quite often. My employers are clients, and the cuts occur when there's no work between projects.

It's called self-employment.

My brother's self-employed.

But he supports all strikers against cuts to their wages, because he happens not to resent the hard-fought-for workplace rights of employed, unionised people.

Unlike selfish right-wing twazzocks like you.
 
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A fair percentage of the general public, when faced by strikes by binmen, train drivers, et al, want to kick strikers' arses. Thus a fair percentage of the general public are, to you, repellent little maggots.

And that same percentage of the public would like to see lefties like you terminated in relatively short order.

I run a small business, I pay well above the 'going rate' for the work & I respect those that work for me, unlike B'ham City Council, and I fully support the strikers.
 
My employers cut my income by 100% quite often. My employers are clients, and the cuts occur when there's no work between projects.

It's called self-employment.

Was self-employed myself for 12 years, you don't have an employer, you have clients, it's different. If you are failing to manage your sales pipeline to ensure a decent, regular flow of work then that is your problem, it's not your employers cutting your wages by 25% (or 100%).
A better example would be one of your regular clients deciding to pay you 25% less for doing the same job you did for them last month. How would you feel about that?
 
BBC Local Live: Birmingham and the Black Country on Wednesday 16 August 2017 - BBC News

live page so probably not great as a link but looks like the council have backed down on the pay cut thing:

There are "no redundancy steps in place", says conciliation service Acas following "progress" between the council and the union representing refuse collectors who have this morning agreed to suspend industrial action

how this was going to work is that the "leading hand" position was going to be removed, all "leading hands" would be made redundant and could either re-apply for their job but now at the lower "hand" grade - a 25% pay cut, or they might be offered jobs at the same grade elsewhere (but the union said all job offers had qualification requirements that the bin men couldn't meet and so it really wasn't an offer at all).
So no redundancies = no pay cuts.
Unite have (and already had said they would) agreed to change in working patterns so binmen will work their hours over 5 days rather than 4.

Seems like victory :)
 
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Unite statement, apologies is in an image but I can't find a text article, jsut an image of the statement

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VICTORY!
No job losses, no pay cuts, working hours changes to be "considered", not even agreed to.
remember folks: unionise, organise, agitate. It works.
 
Full Unite Press Release - text only


Unite press release

Immediate release: Wednesday 16 August 2017

Unite hails victory in Birmingham bin dispute

Unite, the country’s largest union, today (Wednesday 16 August) said that it has achieved victory in the Birmingham bin dispute which will result in the suspension of the current industrial action.

The union said that the city council had accepted the refuse workers’ case and restored the grade 3 jobs, which are responsible for the safety at the rear of the refuse vehicles.

Normal collection of bins will resume, as Unite and the city council hold further talks under the auspices of the conciliation service, Acas to resolve the outstanding issues.

Unite assistant general secretary Howard Beckett said: “We are very pleased that we have reached the stage where we can suspend the industrial action while we hold further talks about the future of the refuse service.

“I know this news will be greatly welcomed by the people of Birmingham as they look forward to their bins being collected again on a regular and seamless basis. I would like to thank them for their understanding over recent weeks.

“Unite will suspend the current round of industrial action that was due to run until 21 September to create a conducive climate for the talks to proceed smoothly. Our members will be working normally.

“I would like to pay tribute to the city council leader Cllr John Clancy who has worked very hard and travelled the extra mile to achieve this solution, despite the reservations of some top council officials.

“The council has addressed our members’ concerns, including the safeguarding of the grade 3 post that is vital to the safety at the rear of the refuse vehicles. Unite also welcomes the fact that our suspended rep is now returning to work

“Unite recognises - and deplores - that local government in England has suffered swingeing cuts to its funding since the Tories came to power in 2010.

“Finally, I would like to thank our members for the solidarity they have shown in defence of a decent and well-resourced refuse collection in Birmingham, and their stand against job cuts and massive cuts to their wages.

“We will be entering into these Acas talks in a constructive and positive fashion – and recognise that there is still much hard work to be done.”

The terms of today’s agreement include Birmingham city council cabinet members agreeing in principle that the grade 3 posts will be maintained and, consequently, there are no redundancy steps in place.

In addition, the parties will now look to discuss, through Acas, how the service can be improved, with the intention of improving efficiencies in performance of the bin collection service generally, including what savings can be made, and specifically how best the current grade 3 roles can now be maintained and developed so that they take forward the ambition to deliver cleaner streets and align to wider ‘Total Place’ principles.

Unite has also agreed in principle to recommend to its members work pattern changes, including consideration of a five-day working week. Both parties agree the working week should be designed to maximise service delivery.

These discussions will be with the intention of incorporating any agreement as an amendment to the Waste Management Service cabinet report in September 2017.
ENDS
Notes to editors:

For more information please contact Unite senior communications officer Shaun Noble on 020 3371 2060 or 07768 693940. Unite press office is on: 020 3371 2065

Email: shaun.noble@unitetheunion.org

Twitter: @unitetheunion Facebook: unitetheunion1 Web: unitetheunion.org

Unite is Britain and Ireland’s largest trade union with over 1.4 million members working across all sectors of the economy. The general secretary is Len McCluskey.
 
Hopefully they'll get a load of overtime now to clear up the backlog. I like that one of the reasons the council wanted to bring an end to the dispute was because it was costing them £40k a day and they couldn't afford it. If there could be a silver lining to aggressive cuts...

Not just overtime. The council - who were cutting agency workers jobs on the bins last year - have already signed up to 200 new jobs. These need to be recruited and agency workers made permanent.

Be interesting to see what response comes from the 'bearded broz' by the way.....
 
The council put out a properly sour grapes response, whoever's in charge of their PR writeup was seemingly very unhappy with the climbdown. Most press (including the Star) ran with variations of this:
BBC said:
In a statement, the council said the Acas statement did not represent the council's official position as the matter still had to be considered by cabinet members at a special meeting on 24 August.

But the tone was more like "nothing's changed, the statement doesn't reflect reality."

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The council put out a properly sour grapes response, whoever's in charge of their PR writeup was seemingly very unhappy with the climbdown. Most press (including the Star) ran with variations of this:

The cold and somewhat grubby reality of how the labour party implement Tory cuts lies behind the statement. It demonstrates the deep divisions and vicious personal enmities within the Labour Party in the city.

Unite have praised Clancy for personally intervening and overruling officials and the Councillors (mis)handling the dispute. For their part the councillors are unhappy because Clancy pushed through the cuts budget in the first place that these proposals emerged from and then left them to take the flak for implementing it.
 
Meanwhile in Doncaster (sorry for c&p) :

Unite warns no stone will be left unturned if Doncaster bins company breaks law to undermine strikes

Unite has received evidence that Suez is actively recruiting agency workers to try to break the strike. The recruitment of agency workers to break or undermine strike action is strictly illegal and is a criminal offence.

The advert circulated by Aim Recruit Ltd (see below), which already supplies agency workers to Suez, states: “This work is to cover industrial action and the workers will need to cross a picket line”.

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Other agencies identified to be recruiting for refuse workers on the contract include Logical Personal Solutions and Ideal Recruit.

Unite is writing to the government’s Employment Agency Standards Inspectorate, which is responsible for ensuring that the rules on agency workers are upheld, warning that Suez and the agencies concerned are prepared to act illegally. Unite will also write directly to the company and the agencies warning them that they will be engaging in illegal activity. The union will also consider what other legal action it can take in support of its members.

Unite regional officer, Shane Sweeting, said: “Suez’s actions are disgraceful and the company will be acting illegally if it recruits agency labour to undermine a strike. It is simply incredible that Suez is more interested in recruiting agency workers to try to undermine the dispute rather than entering into negotiations with Unite.

“Unite will leave no stone unturned be it legal, political or industrial in ensuring that Suez is not allowed to break the law”.

The first strike is scheduled to begin on Wednesday 23 August until Sunday 27 August. A further period of strike action will then occur from Saturday 2 September finishing on Wednesday 6 September.​
Continues at link
 
Strike is back on!

Unite Press Release
For immediate use: Thursday 31 August 2017
Bin strikes set to resume warns Unite as Birmingham council issues redundancies
“A deeply provocative act that does a disservice to the people of Birmingham,” says Unite
News that Birmingham city council had cancelled tomorrow’s (Friday 1 September) cabinet meeting and would instead start issuing redundancy notices to refuse workers, would provoke the resumption of strike action Britain’s largest union, Unite warned today (Thursday 31 August).
Describing the news contained in a letter from the council’s interim chief executive as ‘deeply provocative’, Unite warned that refuse workers could resume their industrial action as early as tomorrow and walk out for three hours on a daily basis at the following times 07:00, 10:30 and 13:00.
Unite said it would re-ballot its members meaning industrial action could extend until the New Year.
Commenting Unite assistant general secretary Howard Beckett said: “This is a deeply provocative act that drives a coach and horses through the agreement Unite reached with the council in good faith at the conciliation service Acas.
“It does a great disservice to the people of Birmingham and the city’s refuse workers who now face being made redundant and losing their livelihoods or pay cuts of thousands of pounds.
“The last thing refuse workers want to do is resume industrial action and see piles of rubbish accumulating on Birmingham’s streets. This is their city too. Our members want to focus on delivering a safe efficient service to people of Birmingham.
“Sadly it seems the council does not want to see that happen. Instead of embracing an agreement that would have seen compromise on all sides, the council seems content to put people on the dole and cut their wages by up to £5,000.
“Unite calls on the council to come to its senses and withdraw these redundancy notices to avoid the disruption of industrial action.”
ENDS
 
Bugger, they didn't collect mine this week anyway, I guess as still dealing with backlog, my wheelie is already about to start overflowing again.
 
I was out with two stewards tonight who said this:

1. Clancy met with the Union full timers and ACAS and agreed to shelve the redundancies. This was the breakthrough that persuaded the shop floor to suspend the strikes.
2. The new chief executive of the council - unelected obviously and appointed to ensure the Tory 'improvement panel' didn't step in and take over control of the city - then prepared a report for the council critising Clancy and Unite. The report said that unless these workers were sacked and the remaining workers are forced onto lower pay the council could not set a legal budget next year (Birmingham has got more equal pay claims in the pipeline). This is an extraordinary intervention. A council leader being attacked by an official and his deal trashed. Even more extraordinarily the Tories and liberals found support from within the labour ranks when attacking the proposals agreed by the leader of the council and Unite.
3. The council (90% plus labour) is now fundamentally split on the issue and had broken off talks as a result.
4. The labour politics are complex and caught up in selection wrangling between Corbyn supporters and others. Next year every council seat in the city is up for election.

This is now an increasingly important dispute. The stewards are not in the mood to be fucked about and nor is the shop floor. They are not having redundancies and they aren't in the business of negotiating pay cuts to offset the discriminatory pay arrangements of the council. Their view of the Labour Party is that they are indivisible from the Tory scum also infesting the council chamber.

This is a savvy, discpined and organised Branch. They've got leverage and they know how to deploy it. Their views on the bearded islamists, queasy liberals and labour wankers trying to sack their mates and force their pay down is absolutely unequivocal.

Time to choose sides....
 
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I was out with two stewards tonight who said this:

1. Clancy met with the Union full timers and ACAS and agreed to shelve the redundancies. This was the breakthrough that persuaded the shop floor to suspend the strikes.
2. The new chief executive of the council - unelected obviously and appointed to ensure the Tory 'improvement panel' didn't step in and take over control of the city - then prepared a report for the council critising Clancy and Unite. The report said that unless these workers were sacked and the remaining workers are forced onto lower pay the council could not set a legal budget next year (Birmingham has got more equal pay claims in the pipeline). This is an extraordinary intervention. A council leader being attacked by an official and his deal trashed. Even more extraordinarily the Tories and liberals found support from within the labour ranks when attacking the proposals agreed by the leader of the council and Unite.
3. The council (90% plus labour) is now fundamentally split on the issue and had broken off talks as a result.
4. The labour politics are complex and caught up in selection wrangling between Corbyn supporters and others. Next year every council seat in the city is up for election.

This is now an increasingly important dispute. The stewards are not in the mood to be fucked about and nor is the shop floor. They are not having redundancies and they aren't in the business of negotiating pay cuts to offset the discriminatory pay arrangements of the council. Their view of the Labour Party is that they are indivisible from the Tory scum also infesting the council chamber.

This is a savvy, discpined and organised Branch. They've got leverage and they know how to deploy it. Their views on the bearded islamists, queasy liberals and labour wankers trying to sack their mates and force their pay down is absolutely unequivocal.

Time to choose sides....

A seperate public protest is needed and we do now seriously need to all head to Victoria square in mass and dump all our black bags outside council house. Any ideas how this can be arranged????
 
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