Birmingham Bin Strike//Care Workers news and discussion

[Smokeandsteam]

Birmingham has had a rat problem for years. Like every other city and getting worse due to cuts to pest control services, overcrowding in some areas, scruffy bastards and flytippers and a reduction in refuse collection due to GOVERNMENT CUTS.

 

[xenon]

Gosh, a true Urbanite. Thinks the end times have arrived because the bin collection is a couple of weeks late, gives it the large one and then squirts out an ossified Urban idiom. Try harder, petal. Some people are facing real hardships with the prospect of a real drop in wages.
Fucking gimp.

Waister.

 

[SpookyFrank]

That does indeed look like a minor inconvenience. Worth becoming a scab over? Hardly.

It's a public health hazard, not a minor inconvenience. The responsibility for it lies with the council but finding someone to blame does not cure sick children.

Scabbing is paid work replacing striking workers as far as I'm concerned. You could argue the toss either way over whether these volunteers are supporting the strike or undermining it, but ultimately you've got a right to clean up your own fucking street.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

It's a public health hazard, not a minor inconvenience. The responsibility for it lies with the council but finding someone to blame does not cure sick children.

Scabbing is paid work replacing striking workers as far as I'm concerned. You could argue the toss either way over whether these volunteers are supporting the strike or undermining it, but ultimately you've got a right to clean up your own fucking street.

Yeah, of course people do. Except there is no evidence of them every doing it before the strike in an area plagued with fly tipping and litter and then you have posts like this from them:

 

[SpookyFrank]

Yeah, of course people do. Except there is no evidence of them every doing it before the strike in an area plagued with fly tipping and litter and then you have posts like this from them:

Whilst I do not support their views on the strike, that doesn't change the fact that they've got a right to clean up their own streets.

Anyone who thinks these people and their kids should live surrounded by filth on a point of principle, don't bitch about it on the internet go and tell them in person.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Of course you do, luv. That's why you're fucking whining about it. Stand up, you pathetic cunt!

 

[Casually Red]

Footage of these characters lifting rubbish here . In that piece they're definitely using a builders type flat bed truck . Not a privately run bin lorry . So that appears to be false information . It was that I found most worrying but it appears to be untrue . Also from what I can make out any undermining of the strike by removing these hazards are negligible . The waste is now being dumped un sorted and going straight to landfill . That leaves the council massively out of pocket every week as regards losing recycling income on tens of thousands of tonnes of all sorts of recyclables . As well as facing serious fines down the line for not meeting it's recycling targets . so they're still under massive pressure to reach an accommodation regardless of the rubbish being lifted or not . Actually it being dumped un sorted to landfill puts them under more financial pressure than it just lying in the streets uncollected . Which costs them nothing .
Ordinary people however seem to be getting a bit of respite...in the handful of streets this is happening in .

 

[Casually Red]

I would say that whether or not the Broz are scabs depends on how they really came about, where they got their equipment from, and how their costs are being met. Given that their trucks at least were donated by some refuse company, the signs are not looking good.

That appears to be a false rumour .

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The bearded broz are receiving donations from local businesses - see their Facebook page

The council have also given them free access to the tip.

Scabs.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

He who pays the piper gets his bins collected...

 

[NoXion]

For those of us who can't use Facebook at the moment, what's in the video?

 

[not a trot]

So who's emptying the bin mens bins ?

 

[Casually Red]

Rats

 

[Smokeandsteam]

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[Smokeandsteam]

For those of us who can't use Facebook at the moment, what's in the video?

The bearded broz collecting rubbish from one of their local business sponsors. They are being funded via donations from businesses and the council have opened up free access for their collections.

Forgive the pun but it stinks

 

[Ho Chi Ming]

Waister.

You're accusing me of being some sort of corsetier?

 

[Ho Chi Ming]

It's a public health hazard, not a minor inconvenience. The responsibility for it lies with the council but finding someone to blame does not cure sick children.

Scabbing is paid work replacing striking workers as far as I'm concerned. You could argue the toss either way over whether these volunteers are supporting the strike or undermining it, but ultimately you've got a right to clean up your own fucking street.

There are no sick children. Just a few bin bags.

 

[Casually Red]

There are no sick children. Just a few bin bags.

I really hope that's not the councils position otherwise they can ignore the strike indefinitely

 

[Ho Chi Ming]

I really hope that's not the councils position otherwise they can ignore the strike indefinitely

They can ignore it for as long as they like while unpaid scabs are doing the binmen's jobs.

 

[Casually Red]

They can ignore it for as long as they like while unpaid scabs are doing the binmen's jobs.

No they can't . This lot have only cleared a few streets in a major city . Which will be full again in a week. It needs clearing as an urgent matter of public health . there's little sense in individual residents taking their own rubbish to the tip if others in the street don't bother . It needs clearing badly in a more co ordinated fashion for the sake of ordinary people and their welfare "

It seems to me as if some people think the bin men can win the more misery is heaped onto the ordinary people by this dispute. And that pressure on the people shouldn't be lifted until the disputes over. Focussing solely in that direction is a sure fire way to turn the people against the strikers . The bin men's dispute isn't with the people, it's with their employers .
The rubbish isn't being sorted , isn't being recycled . That will cost the council a fortune the longer this continues and totally undermine any cost cutting exercise . It will render council cuts self defeating and redundant . Not worth the bother In other words .

There's wood and trees here . It looks to me like perspective is being lost a little .

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The Bearded Broz are led by a convicted terrorist - Shahid Butt.

From Red Action:

This is a 'hearts and minds' PR exercise by religious sectarian extremists led by a convicted terrorist. They've gone out of their way to claim that they are not political, when in fact their motives are entirely political and aimed not only at undermining the bin workers strike but elevating themselves in the eyes of the local community. Beware the wolf in sheep's clothing.

British Jihadis: Is Extremism Widespread In UK?

 

[Ho Chi Ming]

It looks to me like perspective is being lost a little .

Indeed!
The binmen ARE the "ordinary people" so stop pissing about, throw your support behind them and condemn the scabs.

 

[Part 2]

Anything about Shahid Butt been posted yet? He has a rather colourful past.

Shahid Butt

eta: beaten to it

 

[Smokeandsteam]

There's wood and trees here .

It's certainly confused and disorientated you.

 

[Casually Red]

Air strikes can solve a great deal of this .

 

[Ho Chi Ming]

It's a public health hazard, not a minor inconvenience. The responsibility for it lies with the council but finding someone to blame does not cure sick children.

Scabbing is paid work replacing striking workers as far as I'm concerned. You could argue the toss either way over whether these volunteers are supporting the strike or undermining it, but ultimately you've got a right to clean up your own fucking street.

You can redefine scabbing as much as you like; it doesn't change the fact that it's performing the role of the striking workers, regardless of reward.

As I've already said, there are no sick children (though I eagerly await a "city baby attacked by rats" headline). Don't be so melodramatic. Don't want binbags outside your gaff? Stick them in the car park of whatever company you choose! Jesus, have you no imagination?

 

[LiamO]

This whole thread is depressing.

I know it's been said before but...

1. The Beardies are right to shift this accumulated shite from the streets of their community and

2. They should also taket their accumulated shite directly to - and dump it outside - the houses of, the play-places of and the workplaces of the Councillors/Council officials who are provoking/prolonging the Strike... thereby fulfilling both their Community obligations and their Citizen's obligations.

Why should working-class people suffer this indignity in silence? Get it sorted, but stay onside.

Everything else is just detail/pants.

 

[LiamO]

Waister.

What have you got against us fat boys?

 

[UnderOpenSky]

The Bearded Broz are led by a convicted terrorist - Shahid Butt.

From Red Action:

This is a 'hearts and minds' PR exercise by religious sectarian extremists led by a convicted terrorist. They've gone out of their way to claim that they are not political, when in fact their motives are entirely political and aimed not only at undermining the bin workers strike but elevating themselves in the eyes of the local community. Beware the wolf in sheep's clothing.

British Jihadis: Is Extremism Widespread In UK?

Where does it say that in the article you've linked to?

 

[MrSpikey]

Air strikes can solve a great deal of this .

Any planes flying during an air strike are definitely scabs.