Belarus : is the end coming for Lukashenko?
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
thats just the way it is
there’s symbols of the Orthodox Church. What else?
Flavour
hang the bankers
nah he's a member of
Young Front - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
nah he's a member ofYoung Front - Wikipedia
they are far right?
strung out
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It's just the Pahonia isn't it? Belarus coat of arms (or the grand duchy of Lithuania to be precise).
Coat of arms of Lithuania - Wikipedia
"In 1995, following a controversial referendum, Alexander Lukashenko scrapped the Pahonia's status as the official coat of arms and replaced it with a modified Soviet emblem. Since then the Pahonia has served as one of the symbols of the anti-Lukashenko opposition in Belarus."
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
nah he's a member ofYoung Front - Wikipedia
For fuck’s sake. It’s a T shirt with the Pahonia horseman on it, the national symbol of Belarus from 91-95 and currently repressed by Lukashenko. It’s one of the main symbols of the opposition movement.
Stop spreading misinformation
The picture shows him at a Krumkachy football match. The club are privately owned and very oriented towards the political opposition.
It has nothing to do with some obscure democratic society in exile and certainly absolutely nothing to do with the far right. He is not far right.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
In short
On BBC website this morning in this article
Belarus 'diverts Ryanair flight to arrest journalist', opposition says
Nations demand the dissident's release, after a MiG-29 escorts the Greece-Lithuania flight to Minsk.
www.bbc.co.uk
they had a sub-heading "How did Belarus know he was on the plane" in which they quoted Protasevich telling people he had been followed at Athens airport and someone had tried to photograph his check-in.
That's now been removed from the article. Which is interesting.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
No one's ever accused the Merk of being soft. It depends what you mean by "go hard", though. . .
They've been trying to build that bloody pipeline since the early 80s, Iirc. That kind of long term investment is probably not going to be abandoned easily.
Wallerstein the worldsystems guy predicted geopolitical evolution towards a Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis. We'll see very soon how well-founded that one was.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Like the plot of ‘Occupied’?
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
nah he's a member ofYoung Front - Wikipedia
Given that Flavour's contributions today have been deranged nonsense about Russian invasion, a call for the EU's non-existent airforce to shoot down a Belarusian MIG inside Belarus, and now this misinformation/ "far right" nudge-nudge wink-wink about some logo he pulled out of wikipedia's arse, I think we can conclude that he's not really posting on this thread in good faith.
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Does look that way
not-bono-ever
meh
It makes no sense for Russia to take over Belarus. Having a willing , morally / financially bankrupt client state as a buffer is a great thing for Putin. Why would you spoil that fantastic arrangement?
little_legs
Поехали!
What test are you talking about? The US and EU don’t have any credibility. They never objected to Mordechai Vanunu’s abduction or the forced landing of Ivo Morales’ plane when Snowden went into hiding.
*Evo Morales
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Flavour
hang the bankers
What exactly does "posting in good faith" mean? They're separate observations but seeing as you've got your knickers in a twist over it allow me to elaborate.
1. I would not support a Russian invasion of Belarus, and appreciate people's comments here saying they'd have no reason to do so: but the idea that Russia would never invade Belarus is preposterous. If the opposition protests had looked like toppling Lukashenko do you really think Russian intervention on the ground would have been unthinkable? Given their previous form in several other ex-Soviet states and ongoing conflict in Ukraine, I find it rather easy to imagine such a situation unfolding. Repeat: I would not support any such action. I hate Lukashenko and Putin.
2. I did not call for the EU to send fighter jets into Belarusian airspace nor claim they should shoot down Belarusian jets. Jesus Christ. I am saying that from the EU's point of view, geopolitically, in order not to get fucked over and humiliated on the world stage and particularly with regards to Russia, then that would have been the way to react to this. Obviously such action is next to impossible in real terms, but this might push the EU towards more integrated military structures. DISCLAIMER: I would not support a more integrated EU military nor would I have supported military action against Belarus by this hypothetical quick-drawing EU Air Force. I'm merely observing that one of the reasons Belarus knew it would get away with this is because it knew the EU would not respond, would not call their bluff in the moment. Many others have made similar comments. I do not support the EU.
3. The fact that Belarus's shitty authoritarian government pulled this shit against Ryanair/the EU, an action which I wholly condemn, does not make an iota of difference to who the journalist was who got kidnapped and arrested. I had never heard of him before this incident, which I would say is probably true for nearly everyone on this thread, besides you. Be that as it may, I am not a fan of the "enemy of my enemy" doctrine and therefore the fact this guy got arrested did push me towards his Wikipedia page, yes. It's the first source of info for so many things... it's hardly "pulling it out of Wikipedia's arse" -- your language seems to suggest resentment and frustration... but why with me? Because I've read the Wiki page of someone I'd never heard of? Get over it.
4. The Wikipedia page does claim he has been a member of this Young Front group since 2011. Are they wrong? If not, what's the problem with saying it? How is that misinformation? It's just information which doesn't fit a very neat black and white narrative of the young journalist hero-martyr. I do not support his arrest and kidnapping, for the nth time... but I'm still interested in who he is and what he thinks (because of this incident)... that doesn't necessarily have to mean his politics are commendable. Opposition to Lukashenko comes from many different sections of society, including, as seems to be the case with Roman Protasevich, the right. I will happily retract "far right", which I only said I got whiff of from that Instagram picture because that symbolism is very common among far-right ultras across Eastern Europe and indeed Russia itself. Didn't say he is far right. But I'll happily say he seems to come from that Christian Right scene, which, despite being in opposition to Lukashenko, is not a scene I have any time for. Doesn't mean I don't want him to freed immediately. But nor would I necessarily want the guy anywhere near a position of power in Belarus, for a variety of reasons, as goes for basically all people who mix Christianity with nationalism and stuff.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
maybe you could find a second more solid source
teqniq
DisMembered
Particularly as in the post I made about misinformation, one of the tweets in the thread states that:
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
I don't know, radical notion, but if I don't know anything at all about the subject at hand I tend not to post on threads about it.
I don't do some frantic googling and nudge nudge wink wink suggest someone's a far right sympathiser on the basis of a wikipedia page. Then try and cover up the original fail with some aimless speculative ramblings about the Christian Right (which you have no evidence at all that he is.)
You're putting two and two together and getting 987 across multiple points on the thread and it really isn't helpful.
Flavour
hang the bankers
This is the user who added that comment to his Wiki page: User:Mhorg - Wikipedia
This is the source (in Russian/Belarusian, not sure. Google Translate gave it as Russian, interview with the guy himself, mentions him being in Young Front.=
belaruspartisan.by
This is the source (in Russian/Belarusian, not sure. Google Translate gave it as Russian, interview with the guy himself, mentions him being in Young Front.=
Роман Протасевич: О политике в семье н
16-летний ученик Лицея БНТУ Роман Протасевич стал известен всей Беларуси в июле. Тогда за участие в "молчаливых революциях" Романа выгнали из лицея, а сам парень оставил семью из идейных разногласий.
Flavour
hang the bankers
What a wonderful alternative urban75 you live in
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Well I try to, anyway.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that's not a very urban approach. but it's better than calling people fash on the basis of a wikipedia article
steeplejack I’ve been following this thread from the beginning. I can’t claim enough knowledge to critique your reporting, but it seems far more insightful than what I’ve read in quality sources.
can you declare your location or interest?
regardless, please keep posting,
can you declare your location or interest?
regardless, please keep posting,
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
I see the Belarusian KGB aren't terribly subtle...
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