The problem arises in respect of the complex interplay between what is regarded as 'anti-semitism', Jewish identity, and by extension - Zionism. The use of categories is, necessarily, an issue, but the idea of being completely non-critical in respect of any position (and being expected to do so by way of identification) is surely problematic.
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The problem arises in respect of the complex interplay between what is regarded as 'anti-semitism', Jewish identity, and by extension - Zionism. The use of categories is, necessarily, an issue, but the idea of being completely non-critical in respect of any position (and being expected to do so by way of identification) is surely problematic.
Okay, we disagree.
Latest piece of stomach churning hypocrisy from OJ:
Apparently I’m a stooge of the Israeli government
It seems there's no contradiction for a "passionate supporter of Palestinian justice" in supporting apartheid in Israel.
There are some crazy people about when it comes to I/P, now its OJ's turn to get the abuse.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
You hated him before it was fashionable.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
Jones accusing Aaron Bastani of being "a bully like Trump " last night on Tiwtter ( deleted) just cos Bastani cast doubt on the record of Simon Fletcher ( who just left Corbyn's inner team ) - feeble from Jones, his little bursts of snark and aggression are sounding increasingly unhinged / egotistical
I hated him first ! I claim first place as Owen Jones debunker , for my description on Urban 75 in 2012 of Owen Jones as an utter, transparent, opportunist twat. Re my 2012 June 26th post. I now confidently await his eventual repositioning as an "I was a big Leftie in my yoof, but saw the light", sad Old Fogie writing for the Spectator and Daily Mail. I seem to remember at the time HUGE numbers of you fellows rushing to Owen's defence .
That insightful 2012 post in full:
"In September 2011, he was voted the most influential left-wing thinker of the year by readers of the Left Foot Forward blog.[21] The Daily Telegraph placed him as one of their 'Top 100 Most Influential People on the Left 2011'.[22] The Independent newspaper named him as one of their top 50 Britons of 2011 "
And yet this avid self promoter seems to have no noticeable activist socialist credentials to speak of at all. Indeed he seems to have pinched most of his "Chav - defence of" stuff from reading the IWCA website, and I've never been awestruck with the originality of anything he's actually said on the many media outings I've seen/heard him on. Stand by for his full recantation of these "youthful immature views" in a few years , as he rebrands himself and moves decisively to the neo Liberal Right, and gets a "voice of the ordinary man" column on the Daily Mail !
ayatollah, Jun 26, 2012
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Ah, the practice currently known as "doing a Burchill".
It's where the money is, and most journos...well, they go where the money is.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
when he started calling those who disagreed with his left labourism anarchists was the beginning of the end. Or the end of the beginning. Whichever.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
To be named as one of the top 50 anything by the indy surely more of a cuss than anything elseAh, the practice currently known as "doing a Burchill".
It's where the money is, and most journos...well, they go where the money is.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
How the Israel lobby is using Owen Jones
Unsurprising I suppose that Jones has decided to begin all this work with pro-Israel, anti-Corbyn groups within the nominal left. He announced what side he was on a while ago, particularly damning though that he has decided to do it so soon after the revelations that the Israel embassy has a list of MPs across British politician parties who they consider targets to undermine.
Unsurprising I suppose that Jones has decided to begin all this work with pro-Israel, anti-Corbyn groups within the nominal left. He announced what side he was on a while ago, particularly damning though that he has decided to do it so soon after the revelations that the Israel embassy has a list of MPs across British politician parties who they consider targets to undermine.
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
If he was merely "attending" it probably wouldn't have attracted the attention it has. But no, he's delivering the memorial lecture about (amongst other things) "anti-semitism on the left." It appears to me this whole event has been built around Jones. The JLM is certainly milking his appearance for all it's worth.
He talks about his strong support for Palestinian rights and yet at an event hosted by one of the foremost Zionist organisations* in the country he only proposes to express his views on the subject "if that discussion happens." And how will that discussion happen if he doesn't start it?
If he had any self awareness at all I'd say he was utterly shameless. But he clearly believes that his despicable behaviour doesn't count because his "views on Palestine haven't changed one jot."
* If anyone doubts that the JLM is a purely Zionist organisation they only need visit its website (About) where they will find that its only object is:
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Socialist Zionism?! WTF?
Your ignorance isn't surprising
Justify such a concordance then. Zionism. Socialism.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Is the expression 'Socialist Zionist' new to you?
Surely it can't be - given your ability to use clever words like concordance.
I am waiting for your explanation, and understanding, of the possible concomitance of terms?
You can explain, surely?
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Worth cross posting on the Time for Corbyn to go thread. I disagree with some of it but the main thrust is correct, it's utter idiocy to argue that Corbyn going would assist in moving the LP to the left.
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I see OJ is leaving social media.
phillm
Trolling through Life (TM)
YOU...PEOPLE....have...gone...too...far....THIS TIME.
Look, I'm told all the time that these angry and bitter people are completely unrepresentative. I know that to be true. In real life, nobody ever comes up to me and behaves like this, not once. Which is probably an argument for spending less time arguing with strangers and more engaging with decent, good-natured people in real life.
Look, I'm told all the time that these angry and bitter people are completely unrepresentative. I know that to be true. In real life, nobody ever comes up to me and behaves like this, not once. Which is probably an argument for spending less time arguing with strangers and more engaging with decent, good-natured people in real life.
phillm
Trolling through Life (TM)
nothing to do with diminished revenue because of ad-blockers then ?
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
I think it's more to do with people having disagreement with the divine pronouncements of Saint Owen the Anointed.
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