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i dislike the phrase 'debate <insert name>'. what's wrong with debating with someone? :mad:

i appreciate it probably isn't that important. :oops:
 
killer b said:
i dislike the phrase 'debate <insert name>'. what's wrong with debating with someone? :mad:

i appreciate it probably isn't that important. :oops:
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It is kind of an important distinction, in that "debating Owen Jones" is something we are doing here, without literally debating with Owen Jones like that titan of the labour movement Simon Danczuk was.
 
DaveCinzano said:
It is kind of an important distinction, in that "debating Owen Jones" is something we are doing here, without literally debating with Owen Jones like that titan of the labour movement Simon Danczuk was.
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In a way all of us are owen jones. But in an equal sense, none of us are, nobody will ever know how he feels, except for owen jones, falling into the sea
 


£5 for anyone who can find something Danczuk says about the actual policy under debate, rather than just criticising Jones for being "idealistic"
 
Nice use of the phrase "twitter types" for people who disagree with the 7 day bar.

"A Labour MP and left-wing newspaper columnist brought their twitter spat into the TV studio as they disagreed over changes to benefits for newly-unemployed people.

The Independent's Owen Jones said Simon Danczuk "sounded like a Tory MP" for appearing to back coalition plans to make people wait to claim benefits for seven days after losing a job.

But the MP said "welfare has limitations... and we have to build self-reliance among people". He also said he was not going to take lectures from a "privileged" columnist who "sounded like a 1980s alternative comedian".


Also good to see Labour hero David Blunket weighing in aswell on the importance of having a flexible labour market.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23147021
 
Anyone know how we can get in on this?

Register of Members’ Interests
2. Remunerated employment, office, profession etc
Payments from ComRes, Four Millbank, London SW1P 3JA, for completing surveys:
13 February 2012, payment of £75. Hours: 15 mins. (Registered 28 September 2012)
11 March 2012, payment of £75. Hours: 15 mins. (Registered 28 September 2012)
15 June 2012, payment of £75. Hours: 15 mins. (Registered 28 September 2012)
5 August 2012, payment of £75. Hours: 15 mins. (Registered 28 September 2012)
23 August 2012, payment of £75. Hours: 15 mins. (Registered 4 October 2012)
December 2012, payment of £75. Hours: 20 mins. (Registered 6 February 2013)
Payment from YouGov, 50 Featherstone Street, London EC1Y 8RT:
July 2012, payment of £75. Hours: 20 mins. (Registered 28 September 2012)
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Normal people don't get £75 for it! they'd need to spend all day every day to earn what he does in 20 minutes. I wonder does he count this as a 'privilege'?
 
butchersapron said:
Normal people don't get £75 for it! they'd need to spend all day every day to earn what he does in 20 minutes. I wonder does he count this as a 'privilege'?
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No for him it's a democratic duty of MPs.
Surveys/Polls by telephone for normal people usually last longer, are very rare and they are paid nothing.

He dislikes Owen Jones that's for sure:


People forget it wasn’t all that very long ago when we had a Labour Work and Pensions Secretary claiming that the welfare “system is crackers”. The eight principles of welfare reform outlined by David Blunkett in 2005 united around a common Labour principle, which we should never forget; that work is the best route out of poverty.

That the Tories are trying to make incursions into this territory is hardly surprising. But this is Labour territory and we should not be ceding it to a party that famously declared “unemployment is a price worth paying”. Labour understands the value and dignity of work better than any other political party. From our very reason for being founded as a party to represent the workers to our unshakeable bonds with the trade union movement, we have always understood the dignity and transformative power of work. The Tories don’t share these values. For them, the value of work is measured not so much in the dignified sweat on your brow or the strong communities it builds, but the Bentley on your drive and the gated community you can aspire to live in.

The recent pantomime TV debates between Owen Jones and Guido Fawkes, Owen Jones and Harry Cole, or Owen Jones and some other frothing right-winger created a lot of heat but little reforming light on welfare. If Owen and others think that the only people who want a stronger and sustainable welfare system are swivel-eyed crazies then they are wrong. This is by far the dominant view across the country, as every poll shows
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He's also some kind of boss of a firm:

http://www.research-live.com/news/vision-21-boss-to-fight-next-general-election/3002743.article

"Simon Danczuk, boss of UK social research agency Vision 21, is in the running to be the next MP for Rochdale after winning the backing of local Labour Party members.
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Danczuk co-founded the agency in 1999 with Ruth Turner and Anne McNamara, however by 2005 both McNamara and Turner had left, selling their stakes in the business.

Since then, Danczuk has been building up a new management team, bringing in Nick Carley, co-founder of PR firm October Communications, as a director, and Kevin Lee, former Labour Party director for the North West region, as an associate director.

Along with director Helen Bidwell – a long-serving Vision 21 executive – Danczuk said: “The idea was to bring people in to help develop the company. There has always been an intention for me to do less day-to-day work.

“We're not at that stage yet,” he said, “but that [plan] moves forward.”

Danczuk is “convinced” he can win back the Rochdale seat for Labour at the next general election. In 2005, it went to the Liberal Democrats with a majority of just 444.

He is no stranger to politics, having been a councillor for Blackburn with Darwen from the age of 27 to 35. Now 40, he has been active in the Labour movement for over 20 years.

But were he to win at the next election, Danczuk said he has no intention of completely severing all ties with Vision 21.

Former business partner Ruth Turner also has close links with the Labour Party. She left Vision 21 in June 2005 to become Prime Minister Tony Blair's director of government relations.

On Friday, 19 January, Turner was arrested by police investigating the ‘cash-for-honours' affair – an inquiry into allegations people had been given peerages in exchange for donations and loans made to political parties."
 
butchersapron said:
Normal people don't get £75 for it! they'd need to spend all day every day to earn what he does in 20 minutes. I wonder does he count this as a 'privilege'?
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According to Wikipedia, ComRes have nearly 300 MPs doing these surveys. They also have probably similar arrangements with MEPs, AMs, MSPs etc.
 
Our Owen discusses "Brother in the Land", by Robert Swindells, a post-apocalyptic novel set in the North of England on Radio 4's A Good Read at 4.30.

That's ten minutes.
 
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