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Autonomism in the UK

Zenie: They're talking about this

Though what the site linked to the OP has to do with it is what we're waiting (admittedly, not exactly with baited breath) to find out.
 
torres said:
Nah that's a link to a dictionary definion of autonomy. I know what that is. What's autonomism?


It's a movement from that word - do you not know how languages work? :confused: :D

OK basically it's a bit like socialism as in everyone looks after themselves, we don't need authority and structured governments, and certainly not dictatorships. It's pretty big on the continent where the squatting/social centre/political scene is much more left-wing and they have a lot more 'activists' whereas we have a lot of hippies :rolleyes: :D

That's is as i understand it I'm sure someone will pick holes in what I've said and correct me ;)
 
zenie said:
It's a movement from that word - do you not know how languages work? :confused: :D

OK basically it's a bit like socialism as in everyone looks after themselves, we don't need authority and structured governments, and certainly not dictatorships. It's pretty big on the continent where the squatting/social centre/political scene is much more left-wing and they have a lot more 'activists' whereas we have a lot of hippies :rolleyes: :D

That's is as i understand it I'm sure someone will pick holes in what I've said and correct me ;)

How could they?

Is this what it means to everyone else today? Does it have no analytical meaning? Nothing it foregrounds? No approach that it argues for? Did Panzieri die for nothing?
 
chilango said:
Zenie: They're talking about this

Though what the site linked to the OP has to do with it is what we're waiting (admittedly, not exactly with baited breath) to find out.


Aye I know :cool:

I tried to download the mag but it made my pc freeze :rolleyes: :D
 
I tried to look at the mag.

But it made my brain freeze.

(..and to think a decade ago I used to read Camatte for fun:rolleyes: )
 
chilango said:
I tried to look at the mag.

But it made my brain freeze.

(..and to think a decade ago I used to read Camatte for fun:rolleyes: )


Some of my mates him in the french forest - total weirdo, gone survivalist in his 80s.
 
chilango said:
I tried to look at the mag.

But it made my brain freeze.

(..and to think a decade ago I used to read Camatte for fun:rolleyes: )


Ha good work - same old shit then or what? :D

Torres just seems to be trying to get a rise so I'll ignore him :)
 
It seems to mean something completely different to today's 'activists', compared to what it meant 30 odd years ago (and to people who follow in that tradition today). Something completely different.

There's the "autonomism" in the sense of autonomist marxism (italian workerists, tronti, cleaver) and the lifestylist 'autonomism' of today's "anti-capitalists". Two completely opposed movements it seems.
 
I'm trying to see what autonomism means to you zenie, to people like you and other posters here. I know what it means to me, and it's not this liberal crap in the OP or your summary. If my idea of what autonomism is dead then so be it. I'm just after seeing what this term means to people today, how they arrioved that that understanding and why.
 
Attica said:
Here is a link to a new project which saw the light of day at the G8 recently;

http://www.turbulence.org.uk/turb_june2007.html

I have my own opinions about this, but I wonder what others think?:D

Turbulence was distributed at Rostock quite widely and I think it's quite interesting. It's not really about autonomism which probably explains why this thread has gone the way it has, but there's some good stuff about how anti-capitalists work most effectively, organising low paid workers, getting out the ghetto. I'd recommend you read it if you're interested in these issues.
 
torres said:
I'm trying to see what autonomism means to you zenie, to people like you and other posters here. I know what it means to me, and it's not this liberal crap in the OP or your summary. If my idea of what autonomism is dead then so be it. I'm just after seeing what this term means to people today, how they arrioved that that understanding and why.
WTF are you on about? Its very tempting for you to be the first ever person on my ignore list, and that is saying something:eek: :p :D

As you're such an expert why haven't you taken part in any autonomist movements/events/publications? As in 'done' any autonomism?
 
mk12 said:
what does autonomism mean attica? [honest ques]

I wrote this earlier;

Autonomous Class War - a definition

Here's a provisional attempt at definition;

Autonomous Class War applies critical analysis to; working class politics as the multitude fights the state and capitalism, the study of struggles, and the administration of business and the state. It emphasises the co -contextualising relationships of structure and agency, locating the 'everyday', routine world within structural and institutional relations but also emphasising alternative informal institutions and self valourisation outside them. It locates events, issues, media ('crime', 'deviance') and social conflict within their co - determining contexts rather than being obsessed by appearance level debate, causation, moral panic, superficial unity, partial analysis and limited organisation.

It endeavours to broaden the scope of analysis to a consideration of the working class as whole rather than isolated or small sectors, of practice and struggle rather than moral discourse, of humanity and towards dual power rather than punishment and ideologies of division, of freedom and dignity rather than discipline and control.

The structural relations of production and distribution, reproduction and patriarchy, neo-colonialism, and age are identified as the co - determining contexts. Within which the inter-relationships and mutual dependencies of structural forms of oppression can be understood, where different attempts to transcend and enforce boundaries take place, and the working class opposition manifests itself through the ever growing spread of struggles and solidarity.

Working class struggles, although they appear to be subordinate to capital, are in fact primary. Traditional leftist and anarchist vocabulary which speaks about 'resistance' is mistaken and reactionary, and thus their historic task has been to mediate the class struggle. Rather the task is to encourage the ever widening and developing working class practices and autonomous zones into potentially revolutionary moments. Moving beyond the 'permanent revolution' into permanent transcendence of expedient compromise with those who try to control how we live. To live as we choose we must suppress not only those who choose how we live, but the modes of thought that are engendered in and upon all of us. Everybody is not only thinking something they shouldn't they are doing something they shouldn't too.
 
i didn't understand it then, i won't understand it now. :D

"Working class struggles, although they appear to be subordinate to capital, are in fact primary."

I get that bit. one of the central bits of 'autonomism' if i remember correctly. how that relates to all the other guff, i don't know.
 
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