Dunno, but everybody whos at this volunteering place has to be referred so not sure if shes got a support worker as im new there and have only spoke to her twice, but will pass this on to her pure narcotic and thankyou.
Atos Medicals - Questions, Answers and Support
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Got my copy of the DWP's submission to the tribunal today. The best I can say of it, is that it's a masterpiece of selective quotation of my answers.
I'll be starting work on the rebuttal I'll make at the tribunal soon as.
I'll be starting work on the rebuttal I'll make at the tribunal soon as.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Last time I had a medical I said I hovered and dusted very occasionally yet according to the software that generates the report I have OCD and am hovering and dusting all the time.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
What's the worst you can say about it, out of interest?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That it's entirely divorced what I've said from the context in which it was said, and has premised contingent factors - things I made clear were contingent - as absolutes. I'm going to enjoy unpicking this and throwing it in the DWP's faces at tribunal.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
They really are utter fuckwits - enjoy x
Got a WCA tomorrow morning.
Can't say I'm looking forward to sitting in a possibly really busy waiting room for however long they decide to keep me waiting for (all part of the test of course).
Can't say I'm looking forward to sitting in a possibly really busy waiting room for however long they decide to keep me waiting for (all part of the test of course).
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Best of luck, hope it passes quickly - remember to base everything on your worst day when you answer.
Thanks.
I don't for one moment think I'll pass; there are people far worse off than I getting absolutely nowhere. I've not had much support from my GP at all so really I need to focus on another way to move forward. This is really a formality at this point. At best I might get a few weeks more ESA before they send me the Big Brown Envelope of Doom.
When they ask for ID am I allowed to tell them they can't make and keep copies?
I'm not sure I want these people having permanent records of my bank account. They can see it, but that's all.
I'm not sure I want these people having permanent records of my bank account. They can see it, but that's all.
equationgirl
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Yes, absolutely you can. It's your right under the data protection act to determine what of your information is kept and stored by others.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The chairs are always badly-padded and non-ergonomic too, so if you don't go in with a back problem, you come out with one.
My appointment was at 9 40, which meant it was really at 10 o clock.
The usual bollocks I guess.
I won't win.
The usual bollocks I guess.
I won't win.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It's not about winning or losing, it's about holding on to what you're entitled to. Whatever tricks they get up to in order to deprive you of that, you are still entitled to it. It grieves me that so many people - with plenty else on their plates as it is - have to go through the awful reconsideration and appeal process, just to get what they are entitled to, but please don't give up hope, if only for those who have to follow you through this iniquitous system. Every person who goes through this, appeals, and prevails is hammering another nail into the coffin of this outrageous way of dealing with disability.
I agree, but I simply don't have the weight of evidence to convince the arbiters of the system to score me enough points on their arbitrary scale. So really I need to focus my efforts onto something else. Fuck knows what. However I'm not going to pretend that I will win or pass or whatever. I have a few quid in the bank which i've saved during my claim knowing this day would eventually come. Hopefully with that I might be able to do something else. It might keep me going during a mandatory reconsideration rather than having to claim JSA, but I do not imagine the outcome of that will be any different.
BCBlues
Lend us a Twenner
Some great advice and support in this thread, I've been meaning to add to it for a while, anyway here we go, i hope theres some little tips in here for all you out there fighting this absolutely ridiculous set up.
Called in for a WCA, attended alone (i know) and scored 0.
Asked for a Mandatory Reconsideration and asked what qualifications the assessor has in regard to lumbar sacral problems and arthritis.
His report leant heavily on the fact that i attended, alone. Dont do this, always take someone with you.
He has blatantly lied and also constructed sentences from one question answers.
He asked me five times how i got there.
I scored 0 for not rocking (rocking is a sign of anxiety apparently).
He deliberately has missed out parts of my medication including what he described as " standard painkillers" (Tramadol, which i take with Gabapentin and Co Codamol). He also said i was happy with proceedings despite the fact that i told him he was fkng hurting me during the tests. I dont think he would have attempted to lie so much had i had a witness there, there was a very good reason i didn't but clearly it didnt stop the DWP exploiting this.
No surprise the MR simply repeated his constructed drivel and the assessors qualifications are ... Registered Nurse.
Apparently he meant a "standard dose "of painkiller, whatever.
( A couple of days after the DWP received my request they called me to let me know that i could go to the Jobcentre and register for ESA Jobseekers if i was suffering hardship, crafty fkrs).
I like the contingent/absolute argument ViolentPanda , I'll also be arguing on a similar basis in the appeal.
I've put my appeal in. Phoned the DWP a week later and was told i need the Appeal registration number before i can ask for my benefits to be reinstated and that i will also need a fit note (sick note?) before they can reinstate. Im now thus waiting to hear from appeals to get things moving again.
The whole system is designed to force people to give in, in particular the waste of time called a Mandatory Reconsideration, two big words obviously chosen to scare people off, its a review ffs.
IDS has a lot to answer for despite his recent attempts to snake his way out of it all.
Hope the above helps some of you who are being called in understand the procedures lying ahead.
Meantime im due a MRI scan to see what is causing massive problems in my lower back and has already destroyed my left hip bone and is now causing the same problems for my knees
Good luck to you all, dont give up the fight.
Called in for a WCA, attended alone (i know) and scored 0.
Asked for a Mandatory Reconsideration and asked what qualifications the assessor has in regard to lumbar sacral problems and arthritis.
His report leant heavily on the fact that i attended, alone. Dont do this, always take someone with you.
He has blatantly lied and also constructed sentences from one question answers.
He asked me five times how i got there.
I scored 0 for not rocking (rocking is a sign of anxiety apparently)
. He deliberately has missed out parts of my medication including what he described as " standard painkillers" (Tramadol, which i take with Gabapentin and Co Codamol). He also said i was happy with proceedings despite the fact that i told him he was fkng hurting me during the tests. I dont think he would have attempted to lie so much had i had a witness there, there was a very good reason i didn't but clearly it didnt stop the DWP exploiting this.
No surprise the MR simply repeated his constructed drivel and the assessors qualifications are ... Registered Nurse.
Apparently he meant a "standard dose "of painkiller, whatever.
( A couple of days after the DWP received my request they called me to let me know that i could go to the Jobcentre and register for ESA Jobseekers if i was suffering hardship, crafty fkrs).
I like the contingent/absolute argument ViolentPanda , I'll also be arguing on a similar basis in the appeal.
I've put my appeal in. Phoned the DWP a week later and was told i need the Appeal registration number before i can ask for my benefits to be reinstated and that i will also need a fit note (sick note?) before they can reinstate. Im now thus waiting to hear from appeals to get things moving again.
The whole system is designed to force people to give in, in particular the waste of time called a Mandatory Reconsideration, two big words obviously chosen to scare people off, its a review ffs.
IDS has a lot to answer for despite his recent attempts to snake his way out of it all.
Hope the above helps some of you who are being called in understand the procedures lying ahead.
Meantime im due a MRI scan to see what is causing massive problems in my lower back and has already destroyed my left hip bone and is now causing the same problems for my knees
Good luck to you all, dont give up the fight.
The whole thing, obviously, stinks.
Instead of letting GP's do the job, we spend money on private insurance companies to hire ex gp's, or to lure away health workers of some descript, to assess you at a time and place of their choosing. Obviously a recipe for disaster.
Then the assessor presents their subjective opinion of your situation to a decision maker with whom you are to have no contact. That person does little more (at best) than tick a series of boxes according to the descriptors and score them accordingly. If your total ticked boxes grants you the arbitrary sum decided by a professor you will never meet then you might get some money for a time. If it doesn't. you are immediately and instantly let go with nothing. We don't let employers treat staff that way, but it's ok for the sick and the vulnerable who, by definition, will be poor to begin with.
I would be surprised if the majority of Mandatory Reconsideration results differed from the initial outcome.
Instead of letting GP's do the job, we spend money on private insurance companies to hire ex gp's, or to lure away health workers of some descript, to assess you at a time and place of their choosing. Obviously a recipe for disaster.
Then the assessor presents their subjective opinion of your situation to a decision maker with whom you are to have no contact. That person does little more (at best) than tick a series of boxes according to the descriptors and score them accordingly. If your total ticked boxes grants you the arbitrary sum decided by a professor you will never meet then you might get some money for a time. If it doesn't. you are immediately and instantly let go with nothing. We don't let employers treat staff that way, but it's ok for the sick and the vulnerable who, by definition, will be poor to begin with.
I would be surprised if the majority of Mandatory Reconsideration results differed from the initial outcome.
BCBlues
Lend us a Twenner
Cheers. I'll do my best.
And yes Biscuitician, its all about those tick boxes. On the Medical Report the assessor stated that "she....".
As I've said on the appeal form, I'm not being petty highlighting this error but it just proves my argument that the assessor was working to a set proforma that never allowed him to grasp my daily problems.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I did some analysis of the software earlier in the thread - it's not fit for purpose and the selectors are such that statements such as 'she had a mild amputation ' are easily and anecdotally produced. In summary garbage in, garbage out.
It's disgraceful that the decision makers are relying on such drivel as 'evidence' for their decisions. should be illegal, it's clearly unethical.
It occurs to me that the reason people score zero so often, when an assessment goes against them, is because the DWP doesn't want to make it easy for them to appeal. If they scored, for example 10 or 12 then it would therefore be a lot easier to get the 15 points through an appeal/with the help of the CAB etc.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
That could be part of it, but I suspect the answer is even simpler than that.
I think the system has been carefully - and effectively - designed to be very, very good at simply rationalising the dismissal of any genuine manifestation of disability. My guess is that it is working well beyond the wildest expectations of the cold-eyed cynics who commissioned it, and those who subsequently set it up.
I suspect that they have incompetently succeeded in creating a system that achieves far beyond what they set out to do. And I fervently hope that this overachievement is its own downfall.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Warning, PIP assessment.
If you want to have your PIP assessment with ATOS recorded and your assessment date is changed for any reason you must tell them, each time it's rearranged, that you want it recording or they won't let you. Due to some dumbass rule permission to record is only valid for the assessment date you request recording for.
I had to wait 30+ minutes while ATOS were put on hold by the DWP to get a unique reference number so that I could record my assessment. If you didn't have back problems before your assessment you will have by the time you've sat on their chairs for any length of time.
Just have to wait now to see what fantasy figures they assign to my score. 
If you want to have your PIP assessment with ATOS recorded and your assessment date is changed for any reason you must tell them, each time it's rearranged, that you want it recording or they won't let you. Due to some dumbass rule permission to record is only valid for the assessment date you request recording for.
I had to wait 30+ minutes while ATOS were put on hold by the DWP to get a unique reference number so that I could record my assessment. If you didn't have back problems before your assessment you will have by the time you've sat on their chairs for any length of time.
Just have to wait now to see what fantasy figures they assign to my score.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Apart from being knackered, in pain from head to toe and kidney pain that I've not had before
(crap chairs?) I'm fine cheers. 
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Do you have any fever or nausea? Kidneys might just be uncomfortable - are you drinking enough water?Apart from being knackered, in pain from head to toe and kidney pain that I've not had before
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Don't take the imodium and shit in their officeMy assessment is this Friday. I've got some Imodium in just in case.
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