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Does anybody have a rough idea of how long they're taking to make their decisions on ESA these days? It's only been 8 days, so not really expecting word yet, just want this whole process to be over for my husband so we know whether we have to appeal, etc. Thanks :)
No idea I'm afraid, it seems to vary widely. best of luck and sit tight.
 
Does anybody have a rough idea of how long they're taking to make their decisions on ESA these days? It's only been 8 days, so not really expecting word yet, just want this whole process to be over for my husband so we know whether we have to appeal, etc. Thanks :)

Decision times vary, dependent on how snowed-under the DWP decision-makers are. I've known it vary from 2-3 weeks, all the way to 5-6 months, although the longer waits seem to be mostly all in the past. From what I recall from applying for ESA/changing over from Incapacity Benefit last year, they gave a maximum time of 13 weeks.
 
Hi all, are there any good general rules for what you absolutely need to communicate during these interviews? And what you absolutely shouldn't? Is there a reference somewhere for exactly what they score you on?

I've been on disability for almost ten years now (currently in the ESA support group), and I avoided the medical assessment last time around. I have very severe mental health issues around anxiety/depression, and I've spent most of my life as a house-bound recluse being looked after by my dad. My dad in the past communicated this to the assessors, got them to do a home visit, and then spoke to them on my behalf (I just exited the room without a word after a few minutes because I couldn't bear it).

The thing is over the last few years I've been making real progress and my mental health has improved and now there are certain things that I can do (like go outside), so I feel like I really should just attend the interview this time around. I resent how demeaning the process is, how it forces you to emphasise how bad you are, when the reality is I am proud of the progress I have made and don't particularly wish to dwell on how things are still difficult for me. I've been trying to find work while claiming ESA precisely so that I could avoid having to go through this process yet again, but the reality is that my mental health makes it still much too difficult. I applied for an internship with a local charity the other week (with a lot of encouragement from my support worker) and was so anxious about what I'd do if I actually got the job that I couldn't stop throwing up. I still struggle to communicate with people, I can't go into buildings on my own, I cannot use phones, etc. On my worst days I'm kind of a wreck and I can't leave the house. But I don't really want to have to say this.

Last time around, even when my dad had to do everything for me, they still put me in the work-related group, and I had to appeal to go into the support group. If I actually turn up to the interview and answer questions, do I have any hope of not just being found fit for work? The entire process is deeply upsetting and I really just needed somewhere to vent and hopefully get some advice. This thread seems like a good source of information, and you all seem lovely, but it is a very long thread, so I'm sorry if such a general query is already covered on a previous page.
 
Hi all, are there any good general rules for what you absolutely need to communicate during these interviews? And what you absolutely shouldn't? Is there a reference somewhere for exactly what they score you on?

I've been on disability for almost ten years now (currently in the ESA support group), and I avoided the medical assessment last time around. I have very severe mental health issues around anxiety/depression, and I've spent most of my life as a house-bound recluse being looked after by my dad. My dad in the past communicated this to the assessors, got them to do a home visit, and then spoke to them on my behalf (I just exited the room without a word after a few minutes because I couldn't bear it).

The thing is over the last few years I've been making real progress and my mental health has improved and now there are certain things that I can do (like go outside), so I feel like I really should just attend the interview this time around. I resent how demeaning the process is, how it forces you to emphasise how bad you are, when the reality is I am proud of the progress I have made and don't particularly wish to dwell on how things are still difficult for me. I've been trying to find work while claiming ESA precisely so that I could avoid having to go through this process yet again, but the reality is that my mental health makes it still much too difficult. I applied for an internship with a local charity the other week (with a lot of encouragement from my support worker) and was so anxious about what I'd do if I actually got the job that I couldn't stop throwing up. I still struggle to communicate with people, I can't go into buildings on my own, I cannot use phones, etc. On my worst days I'm kind of a wreck and I can't leave the house. But I don't really want to have to say this.

Last time around, even when my dad had to do everything for me, they still put me in the work-related group, and I had to appeal to go into the support group. If I actually turn up to the interview and answer questions, do I have any hope of not just being found fit for work? The entire process is deeply upsetting and I really just needed somewhere to vent and hopefully get some advice. This thread seems like a good source of information, and you all seem lovely, but it is a very long thread, so I'm sorry if such a general query is already covered on a previous page.
welcome to the thread :)

Obviously we can't guarantee anything regarding your assessment but given that various things still cause you severe issues with communication, have you considered asking for a home assessment? I appreciate you want to demonstrate progress but there is a growing body of evidence from claimants that small things such as dressing smartly are used against them and as justification that nothing is wrong with them I.e. No money.

It is difficult to tell a stranger about all the things you can't do and I can understand your reluctance, but if you don't they are likely to say you are fit for work.

It sounds like you're making really great progress which is fab, but if you can't use phones and anxiety is making you sick then you are realistically not ready to go back to work and you should tell them.
 
but the reality is that my mental health makes it still much too difficult. I applied for an internship with a local charity the other week (with a lot of encouragement from my support worker) and was so anxious about what I'd do if I actually got the job that I couldn't stop throwing up. I still struggle to communicate with people, I can't go into buildings on my own, I cannot use phones, etc. On my worst days I'm kind of a wreck and I can't leave the house. But I don't really want to have to say this.
This is exactly what you must say. I know you say its not what you want to focus on and its not theraputic to dwell on the negative - but this is what they need to know if you are not to be forced to sign on. Don't tell them what you can do on a good day - tell them about your bad days. To say you can something - think can you do it repeatedly, without support, anytime? If your mental health stops you doing something they should take that into consideration, so say so.

Don't go to the assessment on your own, don't phone them yourself - if you generally need support to do this sort of thing the assessment is not the opportunity to start being brave. Everything from the moment you arrive at the centre is part of the assessment, they may even watch you coming and going.

There is loads of good links and advice here if you look back a bit - I know its ridiculously long thread now. There were some links to mental health advice but that was a while back, I'll see if I can find you some links.
 
vstark hope it went okay today. If you feel able to tell us how it went at some point that would be great. But if you can't that's perfectly ok too. Whatever you decide, please try not to worry about the outcome. All the best.
 
I've been lucky enough to get someone from DPAC to accompany me to the medical and that'll be the first thing that they ask. :thumbs:

I've held off posting about my assessment and the following decision because I was waiting for a "good" time to share it . By a "good" time I mean one where other contributors to the thread were not experiencing their own problems and anxieties with the WCA.
Picking such a time hasn't been easy due to the very nature of the struggle that we face in having to undergo such an intrusive and inherently unfair procedure.

My assessment took place in a consulting room at the local hospital and I was lucky enough to be accompanied by a representative from DPAC. I was having a rough day, in fact I'd had a rough weekend before the appointment. My health problems, ME/CFS, Fibromyalgia and Osteoarthritis had probably been exacerbated by being so stressed by the whole process. Over the weekend I'd managed about six hours sleep in total. I was fucked and I looked it.

The HCP introduced himself and told us that he was a retired GP. We talked informally for about five minutes, I was very careful what I said and told him my medical history to date and handed a sizeable sheaf of supporting evidence that I'd also sent registered post to Maximus.
He noted that I didn't look very well and I, stupidly, said that I was "alright" and that it was amazing what you get used to.

He then said that we would start the assessment and turned the recording machine on. He recorded for six minutes in total and asked me variations of the questions he'd asked earlier, I then realised that he'd been coaching me. He progressed from asking questions to making statements. "It's quite obvious to me that you would experience great difficulty in walking 20 metres and you certainly wouldn't be able to do that repetitively." The assessment was then over, he told me that he would be recommending that I be placed in the Support Group, I was in the WRAG at the time, and then he wished me well and we left.

I left knowing that I'd been stitched up and that I hadn't had a chance to explain even half of my symptoms and spent the next week to ten days dreading a brown envelope with the decision letter. It finally arrived and I hid it from my wife and couldn't open it until the following day. Fuck me, the DM had placed me in the support group just as the doctor had said he would recommend. There are some good HCP's doing these assessments, though they appear to be in the minority, and I was lucky enough to get one.
These WCA's shouldn't have to come down to a lottery as to whether or not the HCP views your case with a certain amount of empathy and understanding, but it certainly helps. Once again thanks to everyone on this thread, and off it, who have supported me through all this. You know who you are, you fabulous people.
 
I wondered if anyone could point me in the right direction to look at benefits that my friend and her sister are /will be (in theory) entitled to?

My friend is retired but has recently started caring for her younger sister who has developed Alzheimer's. They had the formal diagnosis at the beginning of November.

Her sister is on ESA after exhausting SSP. I believe her employer has now dismissed her for capability.

My friend goes over to here sister's to look after her a few days a week. She is moving to a small town in the New Year and her sister will come and live with her so that my friend can care for her full time.

They've negotiated the medical assessments etc and have now been given the PIP backdated and also the ESA support group (originally they put her in the WRA group :rolleyes: )

I think that her sister has had some help with Council Tax.

When my friend starts caring for her full time, would she get a Carers Allowance? Are there other housing benefits?

Thanks x
 
<snip>When my friend starts caring for her full time, would she get a Carers Allowance? Are there other housing benefits?

Thanks x
CA is reliant on the caree receiving the right level (middle or higher) of the care component of DLA or PIP. CA is adversely affected by paid work - there's an earnings limit and an hour limit. CA pushes up the Income Support threshold by roughly £25 (carer premium) which can be useful when it coems to getting council tax benefit and housing benefit. It also makes it easier to get free/reduce prescriptions, dental care etc.
 
CA is reliant on the caree receiving the right level (middle or higher) of the care component of DLA or PIP. CA is adversely affected by paid work - there's an earnings limit and an hour limit. CA pushes up the Income Support threshold by roughly £25 (carer premium) which can be useful when it coems to getting council tax benefit and housing benefit. It also makes it easier to get free/reduce prescriptions, dental care etc.
Thanks Greebo. My friend is retired so not in paid work.
 
Thanks Greebo. My friend is retired so not in paid work.
Okay. In that case, if she's currently receiving only the state pension (and/or pensioner credit) she can't get CA as such, but she still has to put in a claim for it. She'll get a reply saying that she's not entitled to get CA but does have an underlying entitlement, and this will get her the carer premium.
 
He recorded for six minutes in total and asked me variations of the questions he'd asked earlier, I then realised that he'd been coaching me. He progressed from asking questions to making statements. "It's quite obvious to me that you would experience great difficulty in walking 20 metres and you certainly wouldn't be able to do that repetitively." The assessment was then over, he told me that he would be recommending that I be placed in the Support Group, I was in the WRAG at the time, and then he wished me well and we left.

I left knowing that I'd been stitched up and that I hadn't had a chance to explain even half of my symptoms and spent the next week to ten days dreading a brown envelope with the decision letter. It finally arrived and I hid it from my wife and couldn't open it until the following day. Fuck me, the DM had placed me in the support group just as the doctor had said he would recommend. There are some good HCP's doing these assessments, though they appear to be in the minority, and I was lucky enough to get one.

Very similar experience when I accompanied my daughter just over a year ago. She was interviewed by a nurse I believe. Medical files/evidence were enough and we were straight e.g. "if she's entitled, she's entitled, if she's not she's not". Interviewer then got us to think hard about all the things she couldn't do - we'd got so used to her being limited it almost seemed normal. For instance she does walk a fair way but medically she's virtually forbidden, she can't use a bus etc. We wouldn't have thought to state that without prodding from the interviewer.

So "coaching"? I'd say it's more "prompting" you to remember everyday things you've got so used to not being able to do you forget to even mention them.

It was 100% honest on both sides, you can get a good one. Daughter got the highest rate.
 
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