Atos Medicals - Questions, Answers and Support

[Jackobi]

passenger

I have never heard of an extra award being given for attending a job club. That certainly won't be the case when claiming JSA.

Were you in the support group receiving income-related ESA? That would give you close to £25 more, including the Enhanced Disability Premium, than other ESA claimants in the work related activity group.
I'd be very surprised if you received an extra £25 payment for occasionally attending a job club whilst claiming ESA, but if you did it would be interesting to know more details.

 

[8115]

The basic ESA is around £75 plus £25 for the WRAG, or plus a bit more for the support group I think.

I think it's the extra £25 that they were thinking of, or are, going to take away from people in the WRAG. Bastards.

Afaik there is no extra payment at all on the £75 for JSA.

 

[passenger]

passenger

I have never heard of an extra award being given for attending a job club. That certainly won't be the case when claiming JSA.

Were you in the support group receiving income-related ESA? That would give you close to £25 more, including the Enhanced Disability Premium, than other ESA claimants in the work related activity group.
I'd be very surprised if you received an extra £25 payment for occasionally attending a job club whilst claiming ESA, but if you did it would be interesting to know more details.

well on esa if you had been on there for a certain time you went into a job related
work group/job club, to help you get back into work so my money went up... im not
to worried because i will fight this now i have had time to think ...but the job
club (RBLI) say even the fact im on JSA i still have to go confused is not the word.

 

[passenger]

ok well i have just sent a letter off to my local mp
here in Crawley Henry Smith (tory party) i don`t know
if it will help but i thought it was worth a try

 

[equationgirl]

ok well i have just sent a letter off to my local mp
here in Crawley Henry Smith (tory party) i don`t know
if it will help but i thought it was worth a try

It's definitely worth a try, well done for doing something positive.

 

[Greebo]

that's just a cut and paste of the bits you need to know.

afaik, they can't use you claiming jsa in the meantime as evidence that you are fit for work. Greebo i've seen you about, can you ask him pls. know you're on hols, but if you haven't tired him out, he knows this shit best of us all

ViolentPanda answer the fucking thread!

I'm trying to keep my internet use to a minimum, as VP's paying through the nose for a fairly small data allowance on wifi, and I CBA to get dressed enough to go half a mile to the nearest internet cafe (50 cents an hour paid to a grouchy shopkeeper).

 

[ViolentPanda]

ViolentPanda answer the fucking thread!

Having looked through what toggle has said, she's got it all right. As passenger is being compelled to claim JSA, it can't be used as "evidence" of anything by the DWP, except maybe as an example of bureaucratic cuntishness.

I'm trying to keep my internet use to a minimum, as VP's paying through the nose for a fairly small data allowance on wifi, and I CBA to get dressed enough to go half a mile to the nearest internet cafe (50 cents an hour paid to a grouchy shopkeeper).

At least the shop-keeper hasn't tried to buy you!

 

[panpete]

Please can someone help.
I got a SAR request from my doctors surgery, and it was just a load of print-offfs with no evidence of my self harm or the risk I present.
I have had loads of out of hours treatment but I cannot find any records of this. Paramedics even came to my house, but I have th paperwork for this.
I was in the minor injuries unit on boxing day.
I am ashamed to say that I have also attacked two other people. I hate violence, and I am sorry I hurt and I told them at the time.
I also phoned my GP and told them.
The problem is, the DWP want evidence that is specific and I am finding this hard to get from my doctor.
I don't have anyone looking after my mental health.
I am awaiting an ADHD assessment, already seen the specialist ADHD nurse and waiting for an appt with the specialist who can diagnose and prescribe.
I am in the support group and need to stay in the support group, but it seems that the only people allowed in the support group are those with cpn's, yet there is a gap, because my GP said she doesn't think I need a cpn.
The DWP only seem to put people in the support group, who have got help rather than soemone like me who needs help, but as I dont have a cpn it looks like I don't need help.
I have also been stockpiling pills in case I need to take an overdose if things get that bad, but I dunno if I forgot to tell that to the doctor, I think I did forget.
I'm nearly 50 and have had enough. I don't want to be in the rat race. I am very mentally fragile, and I always wish I had terminal illness, so I can escape all of this austerity.
I don't get on with people, I find it hard to gain their respect.
I couldn't work with people, I would end up making red marks on the wall with my head.
I've just had enough. I don't want to live anymore.
There is too much hatred in the world and I am single with no kids, as I didn't thinkk I was a fit mother, really I would have loved to hav been a fit mother with kids.
When I ring the doctors, some of them get pissed off a little bit cos they cannot help yet I keep on phoning them when I think I need help.
I think I come under regulation 35 but I think that because I don't have a cpn the DWP will think I am eiher fit for worko r fit for wrk related activity

 

[equationgirl]

panpete when you receive out if hours treatment there is normally a letter sent to your gp. However you can also make a subject access request to the hospital where you were treated and they should also give you copies of your records.

I'm not sure of what question you are asking - but having a CPN won't necessarily guarantee you anything, I'm sorry to say. Please try not to worry too much, and if you are stockpiling pills and wish to tell your doctor you can consider writing a letter to them.

 

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ViolentPanda answer the fucking thread!

I'm trying to keep my internet use to a minimum, as VP's paying through the nose for a fairly small data allowance on wifi, and I CBA to get dressed enough to go half a mile to the nearest internet cafe (50 cents an hour paid to a grouchy shopkeeper).

thanks hun.

have fun and do hope we can see you just after you get back

 

[toggle]

Please can someone help.
I got a SAR request from my doctors surgery, and it was just a load of print-offfs with no evidence of my self harm or the risk I present.
I have had loads of out of hours treatment but I cannot find any records of this. Paramedics even came to my house, but I have th paperwork for this.
I was in the minor injuries unit on boxing day.
I am ashamed to say that I have also attacked two other people. I hate violence, and I am sorry I hurt and I told them at the time.
I also phoned my GP and told them.
The problem is, the DWP want evidence that is specific and I am finding this hard to get from my doctor.
I don't have anyone looking after my mental health.
I am awaiting an ADHD assessment, already seen the specialist ADHD nurse and waiting for an appt with the specialist who can diagnose and prescribe.
I am in the support group and need to stay in the support group, but it seems that the only people allowed in the support group are those with cpn's, yet there is a gap, because my GP said she doesn't think I need a cpn.
The DWP only seem to put people in the support group, who have got help rather than soemone like me who needs help, but as I dont have a cpn it looks like I don't need help.
I have also been stockpiling pills in case I need to take an overdose if things get that bad, but I dunno if I forgot to tell that to the doctor, I think I did forget.
I'm nearly 50 and have had enough. I don't want to be in the rat race. I am very mentally fragile, and I always wish I had terminal illness, so I can escape all of this austerity.
I don't get on with people, I find it hard to gain their respect.
I couldn't work with people, I would end up making red marks on the wall with my head.
I've just had enough. I don't want to live anymore.
There is too much hatred in the world and I am single with no kids, as I didn't thinkk I was a fit mother, really I would have loved to hav been a fit mother with kids.
When I ring the doctors, some of them get pissed off a little bit cos they cannot help yet I keep on phoning them when I think I need help.
I think I come under regulation 35 but I think that because I don't have a cpn the DWP will think I am eiher fit for worko r fit for wrk related activity

were the police called?

only cause stuff isn't evidence unless it results in someone having to take action. himself being a danger to himself in the kitchen wasn't evidence unless the fire brigade was called out when the place started filing with smoke

 

[passenger]

well signed on but i put in an appeal as well you get JSA until you go back
on ESA fingers crossed and on top of that my local mp wrote back saying
he would ask the DWP re look and be more sympathetic to my claim
i fell worn out long day

 

[toggle]

well signed on but i put in an appeal as well you get JSA until you go back
on ESA fingers crossed and on top of that my local mp wrote back saying
he would ask the DWP re look and be more sympathetic to my claim
i fell worn out long day

well done

 

[Greebo]

well signed on but i put in an appeal as well you get JSA until you go back
on ESA fingers crossed (SNIP)

i fell worn out long day

Well done for getting through the day and doing what you had to get done. Glad to hear that at least your MP is backing you up.

 

[passenger]

just got the results for my esa report 0 points wtf
what on earth are these people playing at just hope my mp
can do something (sorry to go on )

 

[friendofdorothy]

well signed on but i put in an appeal as well you get JSA until you go back
on ESA fingers crossed and on top of that my local mp wrote back saying
he would ask the DWP re look and be more sympathetic to my claim
i fell worn out long day

hope you are not too exhausted. Its great that you mp has replied.

 

[friendofdorothy]

Please can someone help.
I got a SAR request from my doctors surgery, and it was just a load of print-offfs with no evidence of my self harm or the risk I present.
I have had loads of out of hours treatment but I cannot find any records of this. Paramedics even came to my house, but I have th paperwork for this.
I was in the minor injuries unit on boxing day.
I am ashamed to say that I have also attacked two other people. I hate violence, and I am sorry I hurt and I told them at the time.
I also phoned my GP and told them.
The problem is, the DWP want evidence that is specific and I am finding this hard to get from my doctor.
I don't have anyone looking after my mental health.
I am awaiting an ADHD assessment, already seen the specialist ADHD nurse and waiting for an appt with the specialist who can diagnose and prescribe.
I am in the support group and need to stay in the support group, but it seems that the only people allowed in the support group are those with cpn's, yet there is a gap, because my GP said she doesn't think I need a cpn.
The DWP only seem to put people in the support group, who have got help rather than soemone like me who needs help, but as I dont have a cpn it looks like I don't need help.
I have also been stockpiling pills in case I need to take an overdose if things get that bad, but I dunno if I forgot to tell that to the doctor, I think I did forget.
I'm nearly 50 and have had enough. I don't want to be in the rat race. I am very mentally fragile, and I always wish I had terminal illness, so I can escape all of this austerity.
I don't get on with people, I find it hard to gain their respect.
I couldn't work with people, I would end up making red marks on the wall with my head.
I've just had enough. I don't want to live anymore.
There is too much hatred in the world and I am single with no kids, as I didn't thinkk I was a fit mother, really I would have loved to hav been a fit mother with kids.
When I ring the doctors, some of them get pissed off a little bit cos they cannot help yet I keep on phoning them when I think I need help.
I think I come under regulation 35 but I think that because I don't have a cpn the DWP will think I am eiher fit for worko r fit for wrk related activity

so sorry to hear this. I've nothing practical to advise - but please hang on in there. I have no idea what sort of evidence they need or will accept, just collect what you can.
If you feel suicidal and need someone to talk to don't forget Samaritans | Samaritans

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

How many Tories does it take to change a lightbulb?

Just one but hurry! Poor and disabled people are more likely to kill themselves with the lights on.

 

[friendofdorothy]

How many Atos staff does it take to change a light bulb?

Several to book the appointment, cancel it, rearrange it, and interview it.
Then another one to produce a report saying it is perfectly capable of working afterall.

 

[passenger]

got my pip the judge, docter,and barrister etc awarded the points i needed
thanks every body i can`t put into words how happy i am and sorry for
boring every one

 

[existentialist]

got my pip the judge, docter,and barrister etc awarded the points i needed
thanks every body i can`t put into words how happy i am and sorry for
boring every one

They don't have to be bored! And it isn't boring to see someone battle their way through a system designed to break them down...and win.

 

[equationgirl]

got my pip the judge, docter,and barrister etc awarded the points i needed
thanks every body i can`t put into words how happy i am and sorry for
boring every one

Yay for getting pip. Boo for nil points ESA, which is clearly absolutely bollocks.

 

[passenger]

Yay for getting pip. Boo for nil points ESA, which is clearly absolutely bollocks.

well win some lose some, it really does show the system is nasty and wrong
a lot of people would have given up and thats what they want

 

[equationgirl]

well win some lose some, it really does show the system is nasty and wrong
a lot of people would have given up and thats what they want

It is. Then they point to figures that show there are fewer claimants and try to make out its proof their sanctions work.

 

[friendofdorothy]

got my pip the judge, docter,and barrister etc awarded the points i needed
thanks every body i can`t put into words how happy i am and sorry for
boring every one

hooray! I'm pleased for you.

It annoys me that there is such a useless system in place that it puts ill people through such hassle and stress - and the added expense to the taxpayer of first funding the profits of Atos, and then funding all the extra appeals and tribunerals.

 

[passenger]

a good day

 

[toggle]

got my pip the judge, docter,and barrister etc awarded the points i needed
thanks every body i can`t put into words how happy i am and sorry for
boring every one

boring?

that's you reporting another tick in the win column. which is fucking awesome.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I received a dose of the brown envelope blues this morning, with a notice telling me that as a recipient of DLA, I have to apply for PIP by 14th of November. Knew it was would happen somewhere down the line, but I'm still cunted off by the fact that it's added stress that Greebo and I really don't need.
Oh well. I'm going to be taking a leaf out of tufty79 's book and buy a pair of cassette recorders, and I'm going to do so before I phone the leaching bastards!

 

[equationgirl]

I received a dose of the brown envelope blues this morning, with a notice telling me that as a recipient of DLA, I have to apply for PIP by 14th of November. Knew it was would happen somewhere down the line, but I'm still cunted off by the fact that it's added stress that Greebo and I really don't need.
Oh well. I'm going to be taking a leaf out of tufty79 's book and buy a pair of cassette recorders, and I'm going to do so before I phone the leaching bastards!

solidarity like Mr panda hope it didn't affect you both too much. They haven't given you a massive amount of time though...

 

[ViolentPanda]

solidarity like Mr panda hope it didn't affect you both too much. They haven't given you a massive amount of time though...

They never do, do they?