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equationgirl said:
In her defence, and I'd rather not defend such people, the software is set to disregard anything put in as text in some boxes, and because the software is designed to generate the report using set sentence parts and words, depending on what she chose the report will be bollocks.
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Well, I'm really talking about the bits where there is text. Eg she stated that I didn't take my medication with me. I did, but she never asked to see it. Then there's the physical examination relating to a condition I never claimed to have, but she says I did claim it. Also she says that I never needed prompting. I needed prompting throughout.

The whole thing is a sham.
 
yardbird said:
ATOS have no sense (okay, so we all know this already)

As of yesterday I'm now 64, I've got MS etc.
It cannot be cost effective for another assessment if it happens in the next 12 months - the only winner is ATOS, 'cos then I'll be an OAP.
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As you say, the only winner is ATOS.
What does it say about those that sit in Parliament that this "payment farming" that ATOS carries out is so obvious, and yet so obviously not tackled by legislation? To me it says, louder than plain words could, that the two are in cahoots to destroy the welfare system as a meaningful provider of a social safety net, and to impose some kind of quasi-Victorian solution where claimants will end up doing the latter-day equivalent of picking oakum for their daily gruel.
 
ViolentPanda said:
As you say, the only winner is ATOS.
What does it say about those that sit in Parliament that this "payment farming" that ATOS carries out is so obvious, and yet so obviously not tackled by legislation? To me it says, louder than plain words could, that the two are in cahoots to destroy the welfare system as a meaningful provider of a social safety net, and to impose some kind of quasi-Victorian solution where claimants will end up doing the latter-day equivalent of picking oakum for their daily gruel.
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Have you seen the sharp rise in advertising by unum and others for private insurance and private healthcare. It's epic levels.
 
_angel_ said:
Have you seen the sharp rise in advertising by unum and others for private insurance and private healthcare. It's epic levels.
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Yep, and it's not like we didn't already get a sniff of this back when Frank Field was told to "think the unthinkable", and those sharks were the ones doing the most circling.
 
_angel_ said:
Have you seen the sharp rise in advertising by unum and others for private insurance and private healthcare. It's epic levels.
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Yes, although I took a look at the unum website and all it says is 'think about income insurance' but it doesn't seem to tell you how to get ot or where to ask. Wouldn't be surprised if the products start to appear....
 
ViolentPanda said:
As you say, the only winner is ATOS.
What does it say about those that sit in Parliament that this "payment farming" that ATOS carries out is so obvious, and yet so obviously not tackled by legislation? To me it says, louder than plain words could, that the two are in cahoots to destroy the welfare system as a meaningful provider of a social safety net, and to impose some kind of quasi-Victorian solution where claimants will end up doing the latter-day equivalent of picking oakum for their daily gruel.
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Atos payments for the software over the whole life of the contract is well over £800million (either 7 or 10 years). All paid for by the UK tax payer who won't even own the software by the end of the contract. Now that's payment farming.
 
equationgirl said:
Atos payments for the software over the whole life of the contract is well over £800million (either 7 or 10 years). All paid for by the UK tax payer who won't even own the software by the end of the contract. Now that's payment farming.
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So, over three quarters of a billion pounds paid to them in order for them to provide a testing system that doesn't work, and results in nearly half of all cases put through the system being taken to tribunal?
Wonder which of the current bunch of Cabinet cunts will be on the ATOS board in 5-10 years. :mad:
 
ViolentPanda said:
So, over three quarters of a billion pounds paid to them in order for them to provide a testing system that doesn't work, and results in nearly half of all cases put through the system being taken to tribunal?
Wonder which of the current bunch of Cabinet cunts will be on the ATOS board in 5-10 years. :mad:
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Yes. Beyond disgraceful.

I'm really interested to see if I can find out how much companies like Atos and Serco are getting. If the Atos sum is typical over the life of the contract, it could be substantial. Add that sum to what companies like vodafone et al should have been paying in tax and the UK taxpayer could conceivably be lining the pockets of private enterprises at the expense of some of the most vulnerable in our society.
 
equationgirl said:
Yes. Beyond disgraceful.

I'm really interested to see if I can find out how much companies like Atos and Serco are getting. If the Atos sum is typical over the life of the contract, it could be substantial. Add that sum to what companies like vodafone et al should have been paying in tax and the UK taxpayer could conceivably be lining the pockets of private enterprises at the expense of some of the most vulnerable in our society.
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From what I've been able to make out from the Benefits & Work forum, the penalties for a high "miss" rate are low too, so there's little incentive for them to change their shoddy practices/up their game.
 
Its very revealing what the supposedly 'neutral' DWP civil servants have to say in that article, the DWP has been out of control for a long time..
 
man in coma found fit for work

Yep- it has finally happened (or near enough).
Client’s husband is in hospital in a coma. He was sent ESA50. Client contacted DWP to explain situation and was asked to obtain letter from hospital confirming he is in a coma. Did so. Was told to send it to ATOS rather than local BDC. Did so. Husband has now received decision letter- yep, as he has failed to return the ESA50 without good cause and is therefore capable of work and no longer entitled to ESA….
You couldn’t make it up.
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http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/2496/
 
Sorry if these have already been posted - my concentration isn't what it used to be.

First - disabled people are the latest target for abuse by the ignorant -


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...d-people-abuse-peoples-panel?CMP=EMCSOCEML657

Second, some excellent points made here -




Reminds me of a joke - A banker, a Daily Mail reader, and a benefits claimant are sitting round a table, and there are 12 biscuits. The banker takes 11 biscuits and says to the Daily Mail reader, "Watch out, that scrounger is after your biscuit."
 
Emma Harrison now in the Mails sights, she is quite a fragile personality in some ways, (like Branson she wants to be loved) so this will hit her hard in many ways..
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Tough shit. She shouldn't have made a living out of fucking peoples lives up if she didn#t want to be criticised for it should she.
 
Sigh.

At the weekend I got a letter about Housing/Council Tax benefit, saying I will be awarded these benefits for the period 13th Feb to 26th March.

My IB/IS stopped on the 8th of Feb, so yet another phone call had to be made today. The person I spoke to said she'd send a message asking for a reconsideration regarding the 9th - 12th Feb inclusive, and hopefully that should be fixed.

She also said that the end-date of 26th March is because my claim is being assessed on the basis of Nil income (because I haven't had written confirmation of any income I'm going to receive in the future) and they can only do that for a few weeks. If there's been no notification about my income by the 26th, they'll contact me again to ask if anything has changed, but with any luck I'll have had something in writing by then, and the HB people will have been notified as well.

So it should turn out okay, but why can't anything be straightforward?
 
Apologies if this has been mentioned already.

The new 111 number that will take over from NHS Direct and "none urgent" 999 calls, goes through to operators who use a piece of software to help diagnose an ailment.
I was just wondering is the software anything to do with ATOS and/or Unum ?
 
yardbird said:
The new 111 number that will take over from NHS Direct and "none urgent" 999 calls, goes through to operators who use a piece of software to help diagnose an ailment.
I was just wondering is the software anything to do with ATOS and/or Unum ?
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Now that is a scary thought.:(
 
yardbird said:
Apologies if this has been mentioned already.

The new 111 number that will take over from NHS Direct and "none urgent" 999 calls, goes through to operators who use a piece of software to help diagnose an ailment.
I was just wondering is the software anything to do with ATOS and/or Unum ?
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Could be just a digital form of the diagnostic handbook cuurently used - Corax is the man who knows more.
 
Well, the wives of Middle England. Who form the backbone of the Tories. The 'Blue Rinse' brigade.
 
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