Atos Medicals - Questions, Answers and Support
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One of the things not mentioned is that the nightmare can start with the front-of-house.
Staff clearly trained to take no nonsense and in my case very aggressive and down right nasty!
Breaches of Health & Safety at the main entrance etc.
This is basic stuff and would resonate - no?
Staff clearly trained to take no nonsense and in my case very aggressive and down right nasty!
Breaches of Health & Safety at the main entrance etc.
This is basic stuff and would resonate - no?
I accompanied a friend to his medical yesterday, friend is allergic to a number of things including perfume. fragrance which includes air fresheners etc. The corridor in to the waiting room was very smelly, and the Nurse carrying out the medical said "oh I'm wearing perfume", it was written in his form numerous times, his gp had faxed them saying how severe the allergies are. The nurse was pleasant enough but just didn't get it. She had no idea how this affects him.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I hope your friend is alright, Celt.I accompanied a friend to his medical yesterday, friend is allergic to a number of things including perfume. fragrance which includes air fresheners etc. The corridor in to the waiting room was very smelly, and the Nurse carrying out the medical said "oh I'm wearing perfume", it was written in his form numerous times, his gp had faxed them saying how severe the allergies are. The nurse was pleasant enough but just didn't get it. She had no idea how this affects him.
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Loads have known about this since way back last year treelover. Surprised the indy is calling it scoop to be honest. Still it does let more people know just how fucking awful this whole farce is.
Maybe, but now
Indy said:
is back from holiday and given her say-so there's no need to run it past the lawyers.
That, or investigate the benefits system from the inside...
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Good article on Black Triangle site from Mo Stewart on Unumn, Atos and Government.
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Oh and the excellent Atos Victims Group website is now closed.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
Oh and the excellent Atos Victims Group website is now closed.
What's the story behind that Frankie?
*Interested*
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Can't say I know for sure Lib... Lots of rumour flying as usual
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Advice arounde re: Royal Mail opening ESA returns.
Mark envelopes Private and Confidential. Not sure whether this wil make a ratsfart of a difference, but, worth trying.
Mark envelopes Private and Confidential. Not sure whether this wil make a ratsfart of a difference, but, worth trying.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
There was a piece in the 'i' newspaper that said RM are not allowed to open letters marked as such, no way of knowing if that's true or not.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
The Royal Mail don't give a fuck about stuff like that. Their sorting software recognises the postcode and filters the mail to its respective bag. The postie in that dept. just opens all of those envelopes and stacks them and then bags them for delivery to DWP/ATOS. They don't have time to read them or comment on them just enough time to lose any attachments that you may have included. 
This is why I didn't waste any money on having my form sent recorded, proof of postage was as good.
eta I've tried to find a link to where this has been discussed on one of the benefits forums by an ex-postie but no luck.
This is why I didn't waste any money on having my form sent recorded, proof of postage was as good.
eta I've tried to find a link to where this has been discussed on one of the benefits forums by an ex-postie but no luck.
I paid six pounds plus for special next day delivery, it got there at 4.30 PM in the morning, so was technically late, i hope it wasn't delayed by the RM for this kind of operation..
I didn't staple my medical evidence to the main form, have to get in touch with them..
I didn't staple my medical evidence to the main form, have to get in touch with them..
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
I too paid over £6.50 for next day delivery and it got there something like 10 or 12 days later
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
This may be of some use wrt. Royal Mail:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/dwp_and_atos_healthcare_use_of_r
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/dwp_and_atos_healthcare_use_of_r
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
No proof that's when it was delivered. Only proof that that particular desk date stamped it as receiving it then. May have been stuck in the post room or on someone's desk
Treacle Toes
Time
http://www.dpac.uk.net/2012/09/atos-doctors-hard-to-believe-but/ATOS DOCTORS – hard to believe but…
Sep 082012
Many thanks to Chris Coltrane for agreeing to us re-posting this. If only it was unbelievable.
Atos: A Privatised Service Provider In A Post-Satire World.
- Sep. 6th, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Last Friday I took part in the protest outside the offices of Atos, the company who won the contract to decide whether disabled people are disabled enough to receive benefits.
In the UK, Disability Living Allowance (DLA) is being replaced with the controversial Personal Independent Payment (PIP). DLA fraud stands at a paltry 0.5%. Nevertheless, the government wants to bring fraud to an end. To do this, the government has commissioned Atos to remove the new PIP from 20% of disability claimants. Which is a bit like punishing one child from skipping football by setting fire to the gym.
Of course, a far higher percentage than 0.5% of MPs were found to be cheating their expenses. But it would be wrong to punish MPs, because, you know. Because. Wait, what was my point again?
The consequences of Atos’s decisions are sickening. My friend Polly has a severe form of Crohn’s disease. She’s been given countless different medications, and operations to remove parts of her small intestine. In fact, her Crohn’s is so resistant to the strongest medications and surgery available that she was referred to an experimental chemotherapy and stem cell transplant medical trial. If Crohn’s were a video game, she is playing it on hardest difficulty, with no cheat codes and a broken controller.
I think this has been gone into upthread, but it bears repeating.
On the face of it, the government have a good argument. There are approx 3M DLA claimants, so a 0.5% fraud rate means that there are 15,000 fraudsters out there. That's hardly paltry. Assuming (yes, I know) the middle rate of care and the lower rate of mobility and rounding down, that's £70 per week per claimant (not a lot, is it?) or a tad over £54M a year. That's a lot of money in absolute terms, and without fraud prevention work it would undoubtedly be more.
Not so fast! Hang on a moment: HMG are paying ATOS £100M for their 'work'. That's almost twice the current amount estimated to be lost to fraud. So the fraud rate would have to triple before ATOS could be said to be cost-effective. Except that fraud rates haven't significantly changed (HMG PDF) since before ATOS. So congratulations, Cameron and IDS. You could have reduced the deficit by £100M a year (remember, every penny counts!) by firing ATOS. More even, because we, the British, pay for the appeals. Great job there, guys. I do hope ATOS have shown an actual significant positive impact with other benefits. Somehow, I doubt it.
On the face of it, the government have a good argument. There are approx 3M DLA claimants, so a 0.5% fraud rate means that there are 15,000 fraudsters out there. That's hardly paltry. Assuming (yes, I know) the middle rate of care and the lower rate of mobility and rounding down, that's £70 per week per claimant (not a lot, is it?) or a tad over £54M a year. That's a lot of money in absolute terms, and without fraud prevention work it would undoubtedly be more.
Not so fast! Hang on a moment: HMG are paying ATOS £100M for their 'work'. That's almost twice the current amount estimated to be lost to fraud. So the fraud rate would have to triple before ATOS could be said to be cost-effective. Except that fraud rates haven't significantly changed (HMG PDF) since before ATOS. So congratulations, Cameron and IDS. You could have reduced the deficit by £100M a year (remember, every penny counts!) by firing ATOS. More even, because we, the British, pay for the appeals. Great job there, guys. I do hope ATOS have shown an actual significant positive impact with other benefits. Somehow, I doubt it.
Treacle Toes
Time
Without even counting the costs...15,000 out of 3 million is IMO a paulty amount considering the amount of worry, stress, despair and in some cases devastation contact with ATOS has caused already. Add the fact it is costing 3 times as much before the appeals and there is further proof that satire is dead for the most obvious and sinister reasons. It is all so mind boggling wrong on too many levels. They want us all put up, to shut up and die, this is clear.
Treacle Toes
Time
Well to be fair the only thing we disagree on is whether 15,000 out of 3 million is a paultry amount. 
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