Assange seeks asylum in Ecuador embassy, London
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
trashpony
Hag
Because it's bollocks I expect. He doesn't want to face the rape/sexual assault allegations, it's got bugger all to do with fear of extradition to the US
temper_tantrum
The beauty of the ride
Well that is the obvious conclusion, yes - I was just wondering if I'd missed some particular legal details which meant that it actually IS more likely that he'll be extradited from Sweden.
Finding it hard to believe that so many people seem to have swallowed that argument without engaging their brains
(Plus, if the US wanted to extradite him, they'd have started the extradition procedure while he was in the UK, surely?
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stuff_it
Too skool for cool
Quite - even the BBC say that no charges have yet been filed against him. I've no idea how the Swedish justice or extradition system works but one would hope that people can't be extradited to other countries without having at least had some sort of charges filed.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Think you've got the wrong end of the stick there. And the process that the swedish legal system have put in place is the equivalent of formal charges.
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
I think that's the legal argument; the extradition request was made by a prosecutor rather than a judge or investigating magistrate, which would have happened in most places. The European treaty, they claim, requires it to be issued by a judicial authority.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The legal argument that's been thrown out repeatedly?
stuff_it
Too skool for cool
I may well have then , only just got up.
If he thinks (or is trying to make out) that the whole Sweden thing is a set up, then he is well within his rights to worry that Sweden had pre-agreed to extradite him to the States after. Presumably if the Ecuadorian govt accept that he has an asylum claim then they will have already confirmed that they are unlikely to hand him over to the US as they would effectively be saying that they agreed with his suggestion that he is at risk of the death penalty. I have a feeling that in the past the UK may have sent people to the US simply from having an assertion from them that the death penalty won't be applied - perhaps Ecuador has a better record of not doing this.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Sweden filed an international arrest warrant out on him in November 2010. He is wanted for questioning regarding the allegations.
So he's either attention seeking or genuinely scared of being extradited, is there some loop hole in Sweden allowing this? I do doubt he's worried about going down for allegedly not slapping on a condom when asked too and having sex with someone who was asleep in his bed, I think they'll throw the book at him with the weight of evidence against him at least.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
No, those are not the only two options.
the others?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
He's trying to avoid facing the music over the rape allegations is the one that springs to mind.
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
Yes, and presumably he thinks it will be shortly again.
It will be interesting to see if Cameron grants free passage out of the country, or if we have Ecudorian special forces having to airlift him from a rooftop....I suspect that embassy won't be the most comfortable place to live out your days
bollocks
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Who is he claiming asylum from? Why would he not be able to be extradited from Ecuador to Sweden? They don't have the death penalty. It's a legal nonsense designed to keep him away from sweden for as long as possible.I may well have then , only just got up.
If he thinks (or is trying to make out) that the whole Sweden thing is a set up, then he is well within his rights to worry that Sweden had pre-agreed to extradite him to the States after. Presumably if the Ecuadorian govt accept that he has an asylum claim then they will have already confirmed that they are unlikely to hand him over to the US as they would effectively be saying that they agreed with his suggestion that he is at risk of the death penalty. I have a feeling that in the past the UK may have sent people to the US simply from having an assertion from them that the death penalty won't be applied - perhaps Ecuador has a better record of not doing this.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Been at the legal books again i see.
stuff_it
Too skool for cool
He may have actually raped her under Swedish law, there are plenty of blokes who will try and slip off a condom in the act or try and slip you another shag with no condom while you are asleep. He may not have known that you actually stand a chance of getting done for that in Sweden as likely he wouldn't have checked the law in every country he was visiting - chances are that he would in this case be in denial about it being 'proper' rape.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
So why did he apply for Swedish residency in 2010 (before the rape allegations) if he thought Sweden was going to send him "to his death" in the US? And why, if poodle-like obedience to US extradition demands was his fear, did he then come to the UK?
I pulled an all nighter
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
That clears everything up, then. You should be his lawyer. No, really; I'd like that.
the allegation is he didn't put on a condom when asked too and the other he started having sex with someone in his bed, how do you prove that in court
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You offer competing evidence (for example people testifying that this was something he regularly got up to - or him admitting it) and leave the jury to make an informed decision.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
You're right. Lets just forget about all rape allegations. Very few rapes actually get reported anyway, the vast majority of people who have been raped just shut up, suffer in silent shame and don't bother anyone with tiresomely difficult requests for protection under the law.
I think is it is an incredibly weak attempt by the US secret service to smear him because he humiliated them internationally by exposing the hand they played in corrupt Arab regimes and his small part in igniting the Arab Spring. I wonder what's Bradley Mannings take on it, we should ask him.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Wtf has that got to do with me replying to your question about how things happen in court?
And now he's saved Egypt? I'm sure you never used to be like this. You don't actually know the first thing about this case do you?
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