Aristocrat's daughter on the run with sex offender and newborn

[Looby]

One thing I am confused about is why the couple weren’t discreetly followed rather than arresting them. I guess they might not have known the baby wasn’t with them until they were approached but it feels like there’s been a missed opportunity there.

What a fucking mess.

 

[savoloysam]

Right the police are now making a desperate public appeal for information but as I posted earlier why didn't this story gather much headlines in the media or mass appeals from the police?A baby's life was at threat and now it appears the worst has happened. It could have been avoided.

 

[Pickman's model]

Right the police are now making a desperate public appeal for information but as I posted earlier why didn't this story gather much headlines in the media or mass appeals from the police?A baby's life was at threat and now it appears the worst has happened. It could have been avoided.

There are only so many reporters in the country and so many of them were caught up in the nicola bulley business

 

[kenny g]

Right the police are now making a desperate public appeal for information but as I posted earlier why didn't this story gather much headlines in the media or mass appeals from the police. A baby's life was at threat and now it appears the worst has happened. It could have been avoided.

Maybe the media were obsessing about something else for a few weeks? I really think the Police had a delicate way to go at the time. I can't find fault at the moment.

 

[Pickman's model]

One thing I am confused about is why the couple weren’t discreetly followed rather than arresting them. I guess they might not have known the baby wasn’t with them until they were approached but it feels like there’s been a missed opportunity there.

What a fucking mess.

It takes a lot of people to follow someone, and depending on the location it can be really difficult to follow people discreetly. For example if they're going through a park, if they've any notion of counter-surveillance techniques and I daresay people who are on the run will be wary of people following them

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe the media were obsessing about something else for a few weeks? I really think the Police had a delicate way to go at the time. I can't find fault at the moment.

That's no good

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Police Press Conference - They've been arrested on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter now.

What does that mean? Do they think the baby is dead?

 

[Pickman's model]

What does that mean? Do they think the baby is dead?

It sounds that way when they say manslaughter

 

[bimble]

i know its not the point but am very surprised that they managed to stay 'missing' for this amount of time, on this small and very surveilled island.

 

[Pickman's model]

i know its not the point but am very surprised that they managed to stay 'missing' for this amount of time, on this small and very surveilled island.

Yes, you have to give them credit for that

 

[kenny g]

That allotment looks like a nightmare to search. Expect some of the local "gardeners" will be getting worried.. Sure local plod will prioritise.

 

[andysays]

What does that mean? Do they think the baby is dead?

They were still saying (possibly still are saying) they're hoping to find the baby alive, even after they announcement about the manslaughter arrest, but I suppose they have to keep looking, even if the chance of finding the baby alive by now is vanishingly small.

 

[kenny g]

i know its not the point but am very surprised that they managed to stay 'missing' for this amount of time, on this small and very surveilled island.

Agree. The CCTV footage was one pixel shite. Amazing that a stack of cash apparently allows one to just catch taxis all over the place.

 

[UrbaneFox]

Saw this earlier and same grim thought occurred. Please to God they've somehow handed it off to someone.

Swapped it for a Westlife CD.

 

[bimble]

Agree. The CCTV footage was one pixel shite. Amazing that a stack of cash apparently allows one to just catch taxis all over the place.

It reads like they were using a cash machine outside a shop in Brighton, when spotted, which makes it even weirder .

 

[moomoo]

I’m really hoping that someone is looking after the baby.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

It reads like they were using a cash machine outside a shop in Brighton, when spotted, which makes it even weirder .

I read that they started their sojourn with as little as £15,000. I’d assumed more. Buying and abandoning cars, moving around rental properties, taxis up and down the country etc is pretty expensive.

 

[pbsmooth]

Fuckers. So sad.

 

[TopCat]

I hope the kid is ok.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

There’s so much info missing that all is left is speculation. Going on the run when pregnant is off the scale. I feel for the mother and child in that situation who need medical attention. The couple were obviously on the radar for some reason and feared losing the child. But then they perhaps have anyway. Very sad.

 

[tim]

I hope the kid is ok.

They are going to be charged with manslaughter, so sadly not.

Constance Marten and Mark Gordon arrested on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter

Couple first arrested on Monday on suspicion of child neglect after several weeks avoiding police but infant not with them

www.theguardian.com

 

[friedaweed]

There’s so much info missing that all is left is speculation. Going on the run when pregnant is off the scale. I feel for the mother and child in that situation who need medical attention. The couple were obviously on the radar for some reason and feared losing the child. But then they perhaps have anyway. Very sad.

If the nipper has died there'll be a child death/serious case review. The facts of what happened and which agencies were involved and any findings of fault will be published in that review. Then there'll probably be some legislative changes if those agencies have failed to protect the child along the way. The only time there are such changes in social policy are when some poor kid dies or there's a miscarriage of justice. All a bit sad really.

 

[bimble]

If the baby was not already dead, if they left it hidden somewhere whilst getting supplies, them being held in a police station for days whilst refusing to disclose its location would be the end of it. Sorry I know that’s even worse.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Leaving a baby on its own in a heated house is neglect. Leaving it on its own in a freezing tent is murder tbh.

 

[SpookyFrank]

i know its not the point but am very surprised that they managed to stay 'missing' for this amount of time, on this small and very surveilled island.

The more surveillance there is, the less chance anyone is actually watching any of it.

 

[JimW]

The more surveillance there is, the less chance anyone is actually watching any of it.

AI will be picking up the slack soon enough.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I thought that was already here tbh.

 

[pbsmooth]

I'm worried if anyone thought there's someone watching surveillance cameras all the time...

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I'm worried if anyone thought there's someone watching surveillance cameras all the time...

Security firms do.

 

[bluescreen]

Security firms do.

They may charge customers for doing that, but...