Are you an anarchist but not a member of an anarchist organisation?

[danny la rouge]

Jesus, have some dignity.

 

[Serge Forward]

Hmm... someone joins an AC organisation, causes mither... moves to another AC organisation and causes mither then... leaves or is expelled... then accuses members of said organisation(s) of being dibble and goes all insurrecto

 

[Pickman's model]

So you're saying that I am a police informer and a conservative? The only curious thing here is you. Anyway, you're a waste of time and space and I won't be reacting with you anymore. You continue to lie about that the "friend" that is actually yourself, but then again you have no friends. Your affinity group would always have a membership of one.

i'm not sure the membership would extend that far

 

[Fozzie Bear]

If they were wrecking them bus stops with screens advertising shit, I'd get behind them a bit more

"We arose from our slumber like wolves in the grey dawn. Dreams of liberty still on our lips. The pack advanced on the pristine chrome and glass of the bus stop and its "screens advertising some shit". An embodiment of both the circulation of capital and the horrors of the spectacle..."

 

[GroovySunday]

Copied from the other thread where GS pasted this bollocks.
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Groovy Sunday, you're talking about yourself in the 3rd person here, as if it is your "friend" who told you this, which just underlines your fundamental dishonesty. As a former national secretary of the ACG, who was often harangued by you (sometimes on a daily basis) over whatever particular imagined slight had pushed your button that day, I'm glad to say that I don't have to deal with your shit stirring anymore. This reply to you will be my last ever communication with you. Happy days eh.

I am no longer in the ACG but I will say this. The ACG is not a transphobic organisation. Its only possible "flaw" is that, at the time I was a member, it had two members whose views on trans issues were in my humble opinion perhaps misguided or outdated. They weren't "anti trans" and didn't want to erase trans people but they did hold views that would certainly be at variance with some TRAs. I certainly disagreed with those views on this matter. But the ACG had always taken a nuanced approach to this issue, namely, solidarity with trans people but also aware of possible differences of opinion from some from a more 2nd wave feminist background.

This nuanced position is something that certain elements (including you) can not tolerate. So why were you ever in the ACG then? Only you know this. For the record, there was no "praising" of Helen Steel as her current views on trans people are clearly beyond the pale. That said, her getting mobbed and roughed up at that anarchist bookfair years ago was something that I (and I'm sure the ACG) would frown upon. I and others in the ACG knew her and worked with her in the 80s, when we were comrades and friends. But those days are long gone now.

I know it was you who leaked those out of context internal ACG discussions. I know it was you who leaked my resignation letter. I know you did all this to present the ACG in the worst possible light to anyone with an axe to grind or who didn't know any better. Why? Because you're a bitter attention seeking and probably very damaged person. You'd have my pity if you weren't such a devious, manipulative, disruptive and shit stirring twat.

Anyone in anarchist communist circles and beyond, who hasn't yet had the misfortune to encounter you, would be well advised to shun Groovy Sunday/Amateur Agitator/County Cuckula (or whatever name he goes under).

As for his current "class identitarianist" shite, this shows either he never understood the class politics of the ACG (possibly) or is just making shit up (highly likely). And as for his recent affinity/insurrecto turn, well, seriously this guy has little affinity with anyone but himself. But if any good insurrectionist fancies a future stay in chokey, then Groovy Sunday is your man

Isn't it strange how everyone who can see through the bullshit of the formal 'ancom' scene is supposedly a 'troublemaker' and/or a 'damaged person'. It's so obviously a load of bollocks.

 

[Pickman's model]

Isn't it strange how everyone who can see through the bullshit of the formal 'ancom' scene is supposedly a 'troublemaker' and/or a 'damaged person'. It's so obviously a load of bollocks.

i think the problem you face is you're a whiner and a whinger. oh, and a liar being as you won't find 'troublemaker' in Serge Forward's post

 

[GroovySunday]

"We arose from our slumber like wolves in the grey dawn. Dreams of liberty still on our lips. The pack advanced on the pristine chrome and glass of the bus stop and its "screens advertising some shit". An embodiment of both the circulation of capital and the horrors of the spectacle..."

Hmmm, not exactly long-winded and boring - kind of the opposite of a speech or bit of writing by 'charlie mowbray' who has somehow become the leader of formal british 'anarchist communism'. I hear the likes of Albert Meltzer wasn't at all impressed and didn't take him seriously and I can see why.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Hmmm, not exactly long-winded and boring - kind of the opposite of a speech or bit of writing by 'charlie mowbray' who has somehow become the leader of formal british 'anarchist communism'. I hear the likes of Albert Meltzer wasn't at all impressed and didn't take him seriously and I can see why.

So you are of the view that various people involved with different strands of British anarchism have not liked each other very much?

 

[Pickman's model]

Hmmm, not exactly long-winded and boring - kind of the opposite of a speech or bit of writing by 'charlie mowbray' who has somehow become the leader of formal british 'anarchist communism'. I hear the likes of Albert Meltzer wasn't at all impressed and didn't take him seriously and I can see why.

the great man would have dived headlong into a coffin to avoid meeting you

 

[charlie mowbray]

I was influenced by Albert in his adherence to class struggle anarchism whilst in my teens and met up with him when living in Brighton when he made weekend trips to see Ted Kavanagh, Jim Duke and me. Later when I moved to London, I quite often visited Albert and Miguel Garcia in north London, and often attended at the Centro Iberico on Haverstock Hill set up by Albert and Miguel.. We differed over the question of organisation, but I always had respect for him and attended his funeral. The last time I saw him was at a benefit in east London for an anarchist text to be translated and published in Turkey. We shook hands on that occasion. Amateur Agitator/ Count Cuckula/Groovy Sunday's allegations are a tissue of lies (as usual).

 

[PTK]

Hmmm, not exactly long-winded and boring - kind of the opposite of a speech or bit of writing by 'charlie mowbray' who has somehow become the leader of formal british 'anarchist communism'. I hear the likes of Albert Meltzer wasn't at all impressed and didn't take him seriously and I can see why.

That reads like an argument from authority, to me.
"I have a low opinion of comrade X because comrade Y had a low opinion of him."

 

[Fozzie Bear]

That reads like an argument from authority, to me.
"I have a low opinion of comrade X because comrade Y had a low opinion of him."

Also it is simply gossip rather than political.

 

[Serge Forward]

Also it is simply gossip rather than political.

As well as pure bollocks.

 

[8ball]

Mate, you’re using “council communist” as a term of abuse. I’m one of the founders of the ACN and I’m very happy with the description.

Def beats being a champagne socialist.

 

[A380]

So I’m confused. Is GroovySunday the old AmateurAgitator / CountCuckular?

If so I’ll not engage.

 

[8ball]

So I’m confused. Is GroovySunday the old AmateurAgitator / CountCuckular?

That seems to be the implication. I didn't even know AA and CC were one and the same.

 

[Serge Forward]

So I’m confused. Is GroovySunday the old AmateurAgitator / CountCuckular?

If so I’ll not engage.

Yes. Banned returner.

 

[JimW]

Yes. Banned returner.

Like Lenin at the Finland Station

 

[GroovySunday]

Yes. Banned returner.

Prove it. You're just desperate to shut up someone who is telling it how it is about you and your ilk.

 

[Serge Forward]

Like Lenin at the Finland Station

Lenin two stops past Barking Station surely.

 

[hitmouse]

So you're saying that I am a police informer and a conservative? The only curious thing here is you.

I love the implication that an actual police informer would choose to signal the fact by using a police informer's name as their screen name rather than just, like, not doing that. It's a bit like the people who believe that Beyonce is in the Illuminati and decides to advertise that by putting Illuminati symbolism in all her music videos, which you'd think would be a bit of a faux pas for a member of a secret society.

I was influenced by Albert in his adherence to class struggle anarchism whilst in my teens and met up with him when living in Brighton when he made weekend trips to see Ted Kavanagh, Jim Duke and me. Later when I moved to London, I quite often visited Albert and Miguel Garcia in north London, and often attended at the Centro Iberico on Haverstock Hill set up by Albert and Miguel.. We differed over the question of organisation, but I always had respect for him and attended his funeral. The last time I saw him was at a benefit in east London for an anarchist text to be translated and published in Turkey. We shook hands on that occasion. Amateur Agitator/ Count Cuckula/Groovy Sunday's allegations are a tissue of lies (as usual).

As it happens, on this very thread Groovy Sunday, sorry, GS's "friend", decided to claim that SolFed supports crossing picket lines:

Yeah and from what I've seen crossing picket lines is fine with Sol Fed aswell.

Can anyone say what Meltzer's reaction to someone making evidence-free claims about DAM/SolFed being scabs would be?

So I’m confused. Is GroovySunday the old AmateurAgitator / CountCuckular?

If so I’ll not engage.

No, AA/CC is GS's friend. They're just two close friends who happen to have exactly the same posting style, habits, obsessions and so on. Nothing at all suspicious about that.


Anyway, the following is a genuine offer: a while back, an insurrectionist friend/comrade/contact/whatever offered to send me a load of literature. I didn't want to be rude by declining it, but when it arrived I looked at it and thought "Jesus, that looks absolutely shit, there's no way I'm going to put any effort into distributing that." But throwing it away would feel a bit wasteful so I've just had it all sitting around my room ever since. GS seems like one of the very few people in the world who would appreciate my big pile of badly-written insurrectionist shite, if you PM me your address I'll happily send it to you to get it off my hands. Not taking the piss with this either, I really do have a pile of awful insurrecto zines looking for a good home.

 

[andysays]

Prove it. You're just desperate to shut up someone who is telling it how it is about you and your ilk.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the rest of it* it's been obvious to me that you were Amateur Agitator/Count Cuckula ever since you returned.

* and I can well believe what Serge is saying, because you strike me as the sort of self centred infantile loose cannon who would do everything you're accused of.

 

[hitmouse]

Some of the discussion around pages 26-29 of this thread from last summer was actually really good, btw, would be good to pick that back up at some point. Also, I reckon someone should start a split from the ACN called the Anarchist Communist Discussion Circle, just so we can start an "ACDC good or crap?" thread and make the new posts list more confusing.

 

[planetgeli]

I love the implication that an actual police informer would choose to signal the fact by using a police informer's name as their screen name rather than just, like, not doing that. It's a bit like the people who believe that Beyonce is in the Illuminati and decides to advertise that by putting Illuminati symbolism in all her music videos, which you'd think would be a bit of a faux pas for a member of a secret society.

As it happens, on this very thread Groovy Sunday, sorry, GS's "friend", decided to claim that SolFed supports crossing picket lines:

Can anyone say what Meltzer's reaction to someone making evidence-free claims about DAM/SolFed being scabs would be?

No, AA/CC is GS's friend. They're just two close friends who happen to have exactly the same posting style, habits, obsessions and so on. Nothing at all suspicious about that.


Anyway, the following is a genuine offer: a while back, an insurrectionist friend/comrade/contact/whatever offered to send me a load of literature. I didn't want to be rude by declining it, but when it arrived I looked at it and thought "Jesus, that looks absolutely shit, there's no way I'm going to put any effort into distributing that." But throwing it away would feel a bit wasteful so I've just had it all sitting around my room ever since. GS seems like one of the very few people in the world who would appreciate my big pile of badly-written insurrectionist shite, if you PM me your address I'll happily send it to you to get it off my hands. Not taking the piss with this either, I really do have a pile of awful insurrecto zines looking for a good home.

Don't do it GS! He's probably another informer.

 

[Serge Forward]

Anyway, the following is a genuine offer: a while back, an insurrectionist friend/comrade/contact/whatever offered to send me a load of literature. I didn't want to be rude by declining it, but when it arrived I looked at it and thought "Jesus, that looks absolutely shit, there's no way I'm going to put any effort into distributing that." But throwing it away would feel a bit wasteful so I've just had it all sitting around my room ever since. GS seems like one of the very few people in the world who would appreciate my big pile of badly-written insurrectionist shite, if you PM me your address I'll happily send it to you to get it off my hands. Not taking the piss with this either, I really do have a pile of awful insurrecto zines looking for a good home

What's wrong with the recycling bins outside Morrisons?

 

[danny la rouge]

You're just desperate to shut up someone who is telling it how it is about you and your ilk.

The truth about Serge Forward is that he’s a friend and comrade of mine, an all round good bloke who helped you out in the past, and who is level headed and measured enough that if even he’s pissed off with you, it’s time for some quiet self reflection.

 

[8ball]

Prove it. You're just desperate to shut up someone who is telling it how it is about you and your ilk.

And anyway, it’s not an ilk, it’s a moose.

 

[Dystopiary]

Well this is all very sad.

 

[nogojones]

The truth about Serge Forward is that he’s a friend and comrade of mine, an all round good bloke who helped you out in the past, and who is level headed and measured enough that if even he’s pissed off with you, it’s time for some quiet self reflection.

I don't know Serge personally, but back when AA was really not presenting themselves at their best, he was about the only person who would stand up for them from a place of compassion and comradeship. I thought it admirable at the time, but now I realise I should have just stuck to my gut instinct.

Eta... My gut instinct was to form my own affinity group and smash up the local bus stops

 

[The39thStep]

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the rest of it* it's been obvious to me that you were Amateur Agitator/Count Cuckula ever since you returned.

* and I can well believe what Serge is saying, because you strike me as the sort of self centred infantile loose cannon who would do everything you're accused of.

How can you tell that is AA/CT ?