Myself and my friend don't reject class analysis if that's what you mean.
Are you an anarchist but not a member of an anarchist organisation?
- Thread starter danny la rouge
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I would say most of the time reducing everything to class and often ignoring and not really caring about issues that working class people have related to their identity. And not giving a shit about transphobia despite what they claim. Also having a shit, outdated way of viewing how working class people are supposed to be.
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danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Hmm. Well, we disagree on that. But, if you want to go the affinity group way, that’s up to you. All the best with your efforts.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Could really do with six month updates imo
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Are you saying that your experience is that the problem for the left is that there is too much focus on class (as both a category of experience and as a method of organisation) and not enough on identity. If so, I have to say that my experience is the polar opposite.
I wasn't referting to the left at all. I was simply trying to convey the experience of someone I know who was a dedicated participant of the formal anarchist communist scene, and I'd say I was clear enough.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
I'd describe reducing everything to class as "class reductionism"
And for me "class identarianism" is more about using class as an identity rather than a relationship with the means of production. All that conservative bollocks about working class people not liking fancy food and just being about beer and football.
And for me "class identarianism" is more about using class as an identity rather than a relationship with the means of production. All that conservative bollocks about working class people not liking fancy food and just being about beer and football.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Anyway, yes, good luck with the affinity group and all that:
libcom.org
Self Defense / Affinity Groups - Up Against The Wall Motherfucker
A poster/flyer with two articles from this late sixties NYC group.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Anyway, yes, good luck with the affinity group and all that:
Self Defense / Affinity Groups - Up Against The Wall Motherfucker
A poster/flyer with two articles from this late sixties NYC group.
"Each group will continue to create its own sense of identity through the conscious synthesis of theory/practice, and each group will apply this identity to the existing reality in the most effective manner."
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Copied from the other thread where GS pasted this bollocks.
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Groovy Sunday, you're talking about yourself in the 3rd person here, as if it is your "friend" who told you this, which just underlines your fundamental dishonesty. As a former national secretary of the ACG, who was often harangued by you (sometimes on a daily basis) over whatever particular imagined slight had pushed your button that day, I'm glad to say that I don't have to deal with your shit stirring anymore. This reply to you will be my last ever communication with you. Happy days eh.
I am no longer in the ACG but I will say this. The ACG is not a transphobic organisation. Its only possible "flaw" is that, at the time I was a member, it had two members whose views on trans issues were in my humble opinion perhaps misguided or outdated. They weren't "anti trans" and didn't want to erase trans people but they did hold views that would certainly be at variance with some TRAs. I certainly disagreed with those views on this matter. But the ACG had always taken a nuanced approach to this issue, namely, solidarity with trans people but also aware of possible differences of opinion from some from a more 2nd wave feminist background.
This nuanced position is something that certain elements (including you) can not tolerate. So why were you ever in the ACG then? Only you know this. For the record, there was no "praising" of Helen Steel as her current views on trans people are clearly beyond the pale. That said, her getting mobbed and roughed up at that anarchist bookfair years ago was something that I (and I'm sure the ACG) would frown upon. I and others in the ACG knew her and worked with her in the 80s, when we were comrades and friends. But those days are long gone now.
I know it was you who leaked those out of context internal ACG discussions. I know it was you who leaked my resignation letter. I know you did all this to present the ACG in the worst possible light to anyone with an axe to grind or who didn't know any better. Why? Because you're a bitter attention seeking and probably very damaged person. You'd have my pity if you weren't such a devious, manipulative, disruptive and shit stirring twat.
Anyone in anarchist communist circles and beyond, who hasn't yet had the misfortune to encounter you, would be well advised to shun Groovy Sunday/Amateur Agitator/County Cuckula (or whatever name he goes under).
As for his current "class identitarianist" shite, this shows either he never understood the class politics of the ACG (possibly) or is just making shit up (highly likely). And as for his recent affinity/insurrecto turn, well, seriously this guy has little affinity with anyone but himself. But if any good insurrectionist fancies a future stay in chokey, then Groovy Sunday is your man
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Groovy Sunday, you're talking about yourself in the 3rd person here, as if it is your "friend" who told you this, which just underlines your fundamental dishonesty. As a former national secretary of the ACG, who was often harangued by you (sometimes on a daily basis) over whatever particular imagined slight had pushed your button that day, I'm glad to say that I don't have to deal with your shit stirring anymore. This reply to you will be my last ever communication with you. Happy days eh.
I am no longer in the ACG but I will say this. The ACG is not a transphobic organisation. Its only possible "flaw" is that, at the time I was a member, it had two members whose views on trans issues were in my humble opinion perhaps misguided or outdated. They weren't "anti trans" and didn't want to erase trans people but they did hold views that would certainly be at variance with some TRAs. I certainly disagreed with those views on this matter. But the ACG had always taken a nuanced approach to this issue, namely, solidarity with trans people but also aware of possible differences of opinion from some from a more 2nd wave feminist background.
This nuanced position is something that certain elements (including you) can not tolerate. So why were you ever in the ACG then? Only you know this. For the record, there was no "praising" of Helen Steel as her current views on trans people are clearly beyond the pale. That said, her getting mobbed and roughed up at that anarchist bookfair years ago was something that I (and I'm sure the ACG) would frown upon. I and others in the ACG knew her and worked with her in the 80s, when we were comrades and friends. But those days are long gone now.
I know it was you who leaked those out of context internal ACG discussions. I know it was you who leaked my resignation letter. I know you did all this to present the ACG in the worst possible light to anyone with an axe to grind or who didn't know any better. Why? Because you're a bitter attention seeking and probably very damaged person. You'd have my pity if you weren't such a devious, manipulative, disruptive and shit stirring twat.
Anyone in anarchist communist circles and beyond, who hasn't yet had the misfortune to encounter you, would be well advised to shun Groovy Sunday/Amateur Agitator/County Cuckula (or whatever name he goes under).
As for his current "class identitarianist" shite, this shows either he never understood the class politics of the ACG (possibly) or is just making shit up (highly likely). And as for his recent affinity/insurrecto turn, well, seriously this guy has little affinity with anyone but himself. But if any good insurrectionist fancies a future stay in chokey, then Groovy Sunday is your man
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Just to add, the ACG is a brilliant organisation and I wish it well for the future. I was never in the ACN but I know some of its members and they're top notch comrades. I wish them well too.
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
Not sure what a tiny subcultural scene such as the anarchist communist one has to do with anything really? I mean tbh is it even big or coherent enough to be a scene?
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
I would define a scene as anything Don Traynor can be relied upon to post on a thread about.
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
Whilst he sits there in front of his computer and does fuck all.
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
But the "someone I know" is actually you.
You've taken the name of someone who was a police informer and a conservative. Curious.
This strikes me as a load of complete bollocks.
And I'm not at all surprised that loads of chums of the ACG, some of who were a part of it's hierarchy, have leaped to their defense here.
Cut from the same shitty cloth as the formal council, er . . I mean 'anarchist communist' scene.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Mate, you’re using “council communist” as a term of abuse. I’m one of the founders of the ACN and I’m very happy with the description.
I'm sure you are
JimW
支那暗杀团
Touts and Tories are less of an impediment than cunts like you.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
I am.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
He is.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
A tricky time for people who are unable to foment insurrection on their own.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
It's almost oedipal, this attacking of the former host organisation.
Like a displacement activity when you could be doing the important work of pulling down pylons or smashing up bus stops or whatever the fuck the insurrectionists get up to these days.
Like a displacement activity when you could be doing the important work of pulling down pylons or smashing up bus stops or whatever the fuck the insurrectionists get up to these days.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
If they were wrecking them bus stops with screens advertising shit, I'd get behind them a bit more
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
So you're saying that I am a police informer and a conservative? The only curious thing here is you. Anyway, you're a waste of time and space and I won't be reacting with you anymore. You continue to lie about that the "friend" that is actually yourself, but then again you have no friends. Your affinity group would always have a membership of one.
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