And next, Syria?

[Spymaster]

Even more Putinesque.

Outdoing yourself today, Broggers!

 

[Spymaster]

Funny how they never thought o bomb the fuck out of those storage facilities and scientific institutions when Assad was still in power, you know, those 'red lines' that Obama talked about. Really strange. almost as if they didn't give a fuck about a brutal dictator.

Why would they give a fuck about a brutal dictator who posed them no danger?

 

[brogdale]

Would you say that there is/was no threat of this stuff falling into unsavoury/even more unsavoury hands given the chaos of dozens of different armed groups looking to secure their place at the table?

Should that threat just be sucked up by the neighbouring states because Syria is a state?

Would this be as much of a problem to you if the Jordanians has done it, or KSA, or Turkey, or Egypt?

AFAIA it's only the Israeli state that has invaded and attacked Syria from its pre-existing 'buffer-zone' of Syrian territory that it has occupied since 1967.

 

[brogdale]

Outdoing yourself today, Broggers!

An uncomfortable truth for you, eh?

 

[teqniq]

Why would they give a fuck about a brutal dictator who posed them no danger?

And you think a disparate group of military outfits with no actual concrete leadership overall are a danger? Laughable. I would predict but not with any absolute certainty that it will take years for Syria and it's people to rebuild itself, then you can talk about any danger to anyone if it exists.

 

[TopCat]

Spymaster putting forward strong support for both Ukraine and Israel is hardly an uncommon set of views.

It’s the current position of the US, the EU and indeed Meloni’s and Le Pen’s fascists.

It might seem illogical but essentially it’s about supporting the projection of US power.

 

[Spymaster]

And you think a disparate group of military outfits with no actual concrete leadership overall are a danger? Laughable.

The fact that you don't think that such a group with access to enormous amounts of high quality, modern military equipment is concerning, is beyond moronic!

Hopefully, any MPs that you'll be writing to will be filing your missives under "loon".

 

[kebabking]

AFAIA it's only the Israeli state that has invaded and attacked Syria from its pre-existing 'buffer-zone' of Syrian territory that it has occupied since 1967.

Yeah, that wasn't what I asked, and seeing as you're no fool, it's not because you didn't understand what I asked, so it can only because the answer makes you uncomfortable....

 

[Spymaster]

I would predict but not with any absolute certainty that it will take years for Syria and it's people to rebuild itself, then you can talk about any danger to anyone if it exists.

I'm sure everyone in the region is now standing down and feeling thoroughly reassured, based on the predictions of Teqniq off the internet!

 

[brogdale]

Yeah, that wasn't what I asked, and seeing as you're no fool, it's not because you didn't understand what I asked, so it can only because the answer makes you uncomfortable....

No, I do get what you're saying that one state perceived a potential military threat from its neighbour and has acted (illegally) to invade/occupy even more of its sovereign territory.

 

[brogdale]

The issue that I have is the inconsistent use of that justification; if that is a valid reason for state's to attack their neighbours then that must apply across the board?

 

[kebabking]

And you think a disparate group of military outfits with no actual concrete leadership overall are a danger? Laughable. I would predict but not with any absolute certainty that it will take years for Syria and it's people to rebuild itself, then you can talk about any danger to anyone if it exists.

I think we're talking about very different threats - you're talking about a coherent, Syrian military under singular political control doing a 3rd Soviet Shock Army attack on the Inner German Border type thing, and everyone else in the region is talking about a vast plethora of groups, some of whom have deeply unpleasant ideologies, all about to wage a power struggle for seats at the table, wandering off into the night with a lorry full of chemical weapons/components.

 

[Spymaster]

The issue that I have is the inconsistent use of that justification; if that is a valid reason for state's to attack their neighbours then that must apply across the board?

This is one of the most mendacious and slippery arguments advanced on here for a while. Even for you Broggers, this is a barrel scrape!

 

[Spymaster]

I think we're talking about very different threats - you're talking about a coherent, Syrian military under singular political control doing a 3rd Soviet Shock Army attack on the Inner German Border type thing, and everyone else in the region is talking about a vast plethora of groups, some of whom have deeply unpleasant ideologies, all about to wage a power struggle for seats at the table, wandering off into the night with a lorry full of chemical weapons/components.

No no. The idea that this should be of the slightest concern is "laughable".

 

[brogdale]

This is one of the most mendacious and slippery arguments advanced on here for a while. Even for you Broggers, this is a barrel scrape!

On the contrary, it's very revealing to see the lack of self-awareness from those justifying the actions of the Israeli state on the basis of the self-same arguments made by Putin.

 

[zahir]

Interesting. I notice Lister makes no mention of the psychopath Maher Assad, the now fled ex-president's younger bother. he just makes mention of his wife. A few months ago there was a rumour, quite a large one actually as it had people dancing in the streets that Maher had been killed in an Israeli airstrike on a villa just outside of Damascus. And now Lister is making mention of just his wife. Was he actually killed in the airstrike (I never found out for sure despite searching every now and again) or has he like his brother, fled?

In Tehran according to this

 

[Spymaster]

On the contrary, it's very revealing to see the lack of self-awareness from those justifying the actions of the Israeli state on the basis of the self-same arguments made by Putin.

Mate, when you’re making even less sense on a thread than Topcat, and having to make stuff up, it’s time to reflect.

 

[brogdale]

Mate, when you’re making even less sense on a thread then Topcat, and having to make stuff up, it’s time to reflect.

I can appreciate how troubling it must be for you to suddenly realise that you've lined up squarely behind Putin's justifications for his invasion.

 

[SpookyFrank]

If you are referring to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, there was no threat and they didn't try to create a bugger but take over the whole country. So not comparable situations.

But you think the utterly ruined Syrian state does represent a legitimate threat to Israel? You think the first act of a government four hours old is going to be to start some shit with a neighbouring country that has them massively outgunned? They've not even finished off Assad's forces yet ffs.

 

[emanymton]

But you think the utterly ruined Syrian state does represent a legitimate threat to Israel? You think the first act of a government four hours old is going to be to start some shit with a neighbouring country that has them massively outgunned? They've not even finished off Assad's forces yet ffs.

No I didn't say (or think) any of that just that I don't think that comparison works if those are the terms being used which was the case. And in more general terms Israeli is not Russia and Syria isn't Ukraine, not even close.

 

[brogdale]

No I didn't say (or think) any of that just that I don't think that comparison works if those are the terms being used which was the case. And in more general terms Israeli is not Russia and Syria isn't Ukraine, not even close.

You seem unable to accept the similarity in the justification being used by the Israeli and Russian states for their illegal invasions.

 

[emanymton]

You seem unable to accept the similarity in the justification being used by the Israeli and Russian states for their illegal invasions.

I just don't think the comparison works. It's not exactly a major things worth making a big deal over.

 

[SpookyFrank]

It's not exactly a major things worth making a big deal over.

I'll remember you said that when the Norwegians annexe your house and blow up your office.

 

[emanymton]

I'll remember you said that when the Norwegians annexe your house and blow up your office.

Blow up the office you say...

 

[brogdale]

I just don't think the comparison works. It's not exactly a major things worth making a big deal over.

It's not a comparison, it's a complete similarity of argument; threat from neighbour means that to protect our people we must invade, neutralise risk and effect buffer zone.

 

[SpookyFrank]

It's not a comparison, it's a complete similarity of argument; threat from neighbour means that to protect our people we must invade, neutralise risk and effect buffer zone.

Have the Israelis themselves even bothered to make this argument? Or do they just rely on their snivelling fanboys to do it for them?

 

[brogdale]

Have the Israelis themselves even bothered to make this argument? Or do they just rely on their snivelling fanboys to do it for them?

If this reporting in the Guardian is accurate, the former...

 

[Spymaster]

No I didn't say (or think) any of that just that I don't think that comparison works if those are the terms being used which was the case. And in more general terms Israeli is not Russia and Syria isn't Ukraine, not even close.

Broggers and others are pretending that there's no difference between Russia invading a neighbour with a democratically elected, functioning government, and Israel bombing the military supplies of the overthrown government of a basket-case region, that's probably about to be taken over by random Islamists, the boss of whom was salafi jihadist.

Move along. Nothing to see here!

 

[brogdale]

Broggers and others are pretending that there's no difference between Russia invading a neighbour with a democratically elected, functioning government, and Israel bombing the military supplies of the overthrown government of a basket-case region, that's probably about to be taken over by random Islamists, the boss of whom was salafi jihadist.

Move along. Nothing to see here!

There literally is no difference in the arguments put forward to justify the illegal warfare and occupation.

 

[Spymaster]

There literally is no difference in the arguments put forward to justify the illegal warfare and occupation.

Now I know you're trolling. Good effort, tbf.

Anyway, you just lost by having Plank come in on your side.

That's an Urban variation of a Godwin.