And next, Syria?

[SpookyFrank]

Or, you look at it the other way round, that Israel is taking a cautious approach to the idea of a group - or group of groups - some of which were allied with, or part of AQ, having chemical weapons and fast jets.

That gives them the right to just bomb whoever the fuck they like does it?

A fair few of Israel's neighbours are probably not that enthused about the fascist regime with nuclear weapons, a limitless supply of top-quality conventional ones, and decades of form for wild acts of aggression. Doesn't mean Jordan can just start bombing Israel on the off chance.

I have long wondered what sort of mental backflips people have to do to stay loyal to a UK military that's complicit in Israel's genocide. Your post is a rare opportunity to see that sort of rationalisation play out in real time.

 

[zahir]

Pawel Wojcik

Wanted to take a break, but what is going on in the East, where HTS is not present is getting out of control.Turkey fanning the flames, its thugs from SNA executing en masse wounded SDF fighters in a hospital.SDF killing dozens in botched try to quell unrest in Der.

Increasing chaos with tribes, where the Kurds are out of their comfort zone, with no population support.
Islamic State insurgency waiting to expand and try the massive assault to rescue thousands of jihadists in prisons.Where are the Americans?

Joulani will quickly need to step up and take control over the situation, otherwise Turkey will make sure they are not getting ousted any time sure. It's of course even more complicated since IDF not bothering with Assad that much is making sure Joulani can't have advanced army.

Just as the campaign to overthrow the regime demanded and met with swift HTS political and armed takeover, something needs to be done fast. Refugees are coming back, Europe quickly closed the gates and already more problems araise irrelevant of Syrian themselves.

Turkey will make sure they are not getting ousted any time *soon. Anyway, the situation has already gotten off the rails, now it's going to be only worse unless that pathetic US administration forcibly halts everyone. Both sides made sure to cross all lines.

*Last note - videos coming from Manbij and vicinity are something Islamic State was known for.And yet, there is a catch.The jihadists had elaborate, tailor-made excuses to operate with.SNA people on these videos are playing a shooter video game.Inhuman slaughter for fun.

 

[zahir]

The SNA has taken Manbij.

Rojava Information Center

Manbij update from source on the ground:"SDF have withdrawn [from Manbij]. Turkey and its militias are now trying to reach the Tishreen dam. There are a lot of attacks against Tishreen and the dam, with SDF fighting the SNA outside Tishreen at present. They are using heavy weapons and there are Turkish drones in the air."

The source also reports Turkish airstrikes on Kobane.

 

[zahir]

ScharoMaroof

Rojava - AANES
-Since the early morning hours clashes continue in the eastern countryside of Manbij
- the Turkish airforce carried out 15 airstrikes and dozens of artillery strikes on the Qara Qozak bridge and its vicinity between Manbij and Kobane.
-Manbij city is in control of the SNA, the SDF is pulling out. Some say a deal has been made with the USA but there’s no way of verifying that as of now.
-The Turkish military keeps on carrying out large scale artillery barrages on the Kobane countryside.
-US airforce jets are flying over Kobane

 

[TopCat]

Peace at last eh?

 

[ID47]

That gives them the right to just bomb whoever the fuck they like does it?

A fair few of Israel's neighbours are probably not that enthused about the fascist regime with nuclear weapons, a limitless supply of top-quality conventional ones, and decades of form for wild acts of aggression. Doesn't mean Jordan can just start bombing Israel on the off chance.

I have long wondered what sort of mental backflips people have to do to stay loyal to a UK military that's complicit in Israel's genocide. Your post is a rare opportunity to see that sort of rationalisation play out in real time.

To be expected unfortunately, the ex military types on here never change.

The resident zionist turned up gloating in the last 24 hours as well.

 

[Spymaster]

Fucksake. Any excuse:

UK pauses decisions on Syrian asylum claims

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not the first to do so though:

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Any excuse? Are you fucking serious?

You've got a bunch of jihadis releasing thousands of prisoners who've been jailed for fuck-knows-what, and you think pausing asylum applications from the area might not be a good idea?

 

[nino_savatte]

Peace at last eh?

 

[Spymaster]

Speaking of how Israel will act, they seem to have heavily bombed the port of Latakia this evening, there's Russian bases nearby. I wonder what the actual reason is though.

Cor, I dunno.

One might be inclined to wildly speculate that Israel may be a trifle nervous about the entire inventory of the Syrian and Russian military, potentially coming under the control of a bunch of fucking psychos.

Just a thought.

 

[zahir]

Razan Saffour

Never ever ever forget Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal, Rania Khalek, David Miller, Sana Saeed, Asa Wistansley, Ali Abunimah, Sawsan Abulhawa, Richard Medhurst, Craig Murray, Abby Martin, that Kate woman who’s name I’ve forgotten - and EVERYONE ELSE who attempted to erase our struggle, who whitewashed the chemical massacres, who celebrated our ethnic cleansing and brutal massacres. Who dehumanised Syrians so much they only saw us through their bullshit geopolitical & extremely perverse ideological lens. Never forget. Never forgive. *Some names spelled wrong, I don’t really care. No time to look up these heinous propagandists. إلى مزبلة التاريخ

 

[emanymton]

Cor, I dunno.

One might be inclined to wildly speculate that Israel may be a trifle nervous about the entire inventory of the Syrian and Russian military, potentially coming under the control of a bunch of fucking psychos.

Just a thought.

Well a different bunch of fucking psychos.

 

[zahir]

Various reports now of an SNA and Turkish offensive against Kobane.

 

[The39thStep]

Cor, I dunno.

One might be inclined to wildly speculate that Israel may be a trifle nervous about the entire inventory of the Syrian and Russian military, potentially coming under the control of a bunch of fucking psychos.

Just a thought.

A lot of Israel's neighbours and indeed residents might think the same about the control of Israel's weaponry tbh.

 

[Spymaster]

A lot of Israel's neighbours and indeed residents might think the same about the control of Israel's weaponry tbh.

Tough shit. There's no power vacuum in Israel for them to have to mitigate. If there was, and they were able to, they'd be criminally negligent not to.

Israel is doing precisely what they should be doing.

 

[zahir]

Perhaps people on here could help HTS organise a book fair?

No need - they've already organised one: Idlib book fair

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Great timing on behalf of whatever branch of the police. Arrest Kurds in London on charges of supporting the PKK at the same time as Turkey sends in planes to bomb parts of Kurdish Syria.

 

[The39thStep]

Tough shit. There's no power vacuum in Israel for them to have to mitigate. If there was, and they were able to, they'd be criminally negligent not to.

Israel is doing precisely what they should be doing.

Totally/globally or is it just bombing Syria that just strikes a chord with you?

 

[Spymaster]

Totally/globally or is it just bombing Syria that just strikes a chord with you?

Well, them destroying as much of the remaining Syrian/Russian military hardware and infrastructure and occupying the buffer zone is clearly supremely sensible.

What else did you have in mind?

 

[brogdale]

Well, them destroying as much of the remaining Syrian/Russian military hardware and infrastructure and occupying the buffer zone is clearly supremely sensible.

What else did you have in mind?

So you reckon if a country perceives a potential threat from a neighbouring state it's OK to invade militarily, create a 'buffer zone' and seek to destroy the neighbour's military assets?

How very 2022.

 

[emanymton]

So you reckon if a country perceives a potential threat from a neighbouring state it's OK to invade militarily, create a 'buffer zone' and seek to destroy the neighbour's military assets?

How very 2022.

If you are referring to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, there was no threat and they didn't try to create a bugger but take over the whole country. So not comparable situations.

 

[brogdale]

If you are referring to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, there was no threat and they didn't try to create a bugger but take over the whole country. So not comparable situations.

Well, if we're exploring the justification for illegal military interventions as a general concept, the basis for the perceived/articulated threat is not really relevant. is it?

 

[emanymton]

Well, if we're exploring the justification for illegal military interventions as a general concept, the basis for the perceived/articulated threat is not really relevant. is it?

Urmm, well it was you that brought the comparison up.

 

[brogdale]

Urmm, well it was you that brought the comparison up.

Only in as much as Spymaster had invoked the Putin justification for the zionist state's illegal acts of warfare and invasion. I can't really discern from where such double standards might emerge; maybe pro-zionist or Russophobic beliefs? The Israeli state often says that holding it to different standards compared with other states is anti-semitic, so presumably holding Russia to different standards is Russophobic? Probably not the thread for this though?

 

[CNT36]

If you are referring to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, there was no threat and they didn't try to create a bugger but take over the whole country. So not comparable situations.

Great typo. Cheered me up.

You're right about 2022 but we'll see about the 2024 rerun.

ETA also Israel have had a buffer for over half a century.

 

[teqniq]

Any excuse? Are you fucking serious?

You've got a bunch of jihadis releasing thousands of prisoners who've been jailed for fuck-knows-what, and you think pausing asylum applications from the area might not be a good idea?

You absolute fucking clown. I support many asylum seekers already here including one young Syrian Kurd who messaged me this morning asking me if he had done anything wrong in the UK. I phoned him and he explained, again that he does not understand why his asylum claim is taking so long, I explained to him, again that sometimes the Home Office take a very long time to reach a decision. Tomorrow I am going to go see him and explain that the Home Office have suspended making asylum, decisions for those Syrian nationals who are already here. If you think this decision is based on potential jihadis arriving in the UK you are very much mistaken. This decision is, like in Europe based on a view that we are already full and asylum seekers are very unpopular with a certain percentage of the population, usually those with right-wing views. I would also not be in the least bit surprised that they also think that now with Assad gone it will be safe for Syrians to return, a very convenient but very mistaken assumption. I will as usual be emailing my MP (much good it may do) raising my concerns with him and, once my guy gives his permission I will also be emailing his MP.

 

[Spymaster]

So you reckon if a country perceives a potential threat from a neighbouring state it's OK to invade militarily, create a 'buffer zone' and seek to destroy the neighbour's military assets?

When the neighbouring states' government has been overthrown by an unknown quantity, the leader of whom is former Al Qaeda?

Fuck yes.

 

[kebabking]

Well, if we're exploring the justification for illegal military interventions as a general concept, the basis for the perceived/articulated threat is not really relevant. is it?

Would you say that there is/was no threat of this stuff falling into unsavoury/even more unsavoury hands given the chaos of dozens of different armed groups looking to secure their place at the table?

Should that threat just be sucked up by the neighbouring states because Syria is a state?

Would this be as much of a problem to you if the Jordanians has done it, or KSA, or Turkey, or Egypt?

 

[brogdale]

When the neighbouring states' government has been overthrown by an unknown quantity, the leader of whom is former Al Qaeda?

Fuck yes.

Even more Putinesque.

 

[Spymaster]

Only in as much as Spymaster had invoked the Putin justification for the zionist state's illegal acts of warfare and invasion.

Don't be silly.

 

[teqniq]

Cor, I dunno.

One might be inclined to wildly speculate that Israel may be a trifle nervous about the entire inventory of the Syrian and Russian military, potentially coming under the control of a bunch of fucking psychos.

Just a thought.

Funny how they never thought to bomb the fuck out of those storage facilities and scientific institutions when Assad was still in power, you know, those 'red lines' that Obama talked about. Really strange. almost as if they didn't give a fuck about a brutal dictator.