And next, Syria?

[TopCat]

Guardian calls for more regime chemical attacks to bring assad victory closer - only thing to end the killing. Make two, three, many Doumas!

Only Assad’s victory will end Syria’s civil war. The west can do nothing

Quote please their words calling for regime chemical attacks?

 

[butchersapron]

Quote please their words calling for regime chemical attacks?

That's the central logic of the piece - that the only way for the killing to end is for assad to win. So the quicker the better. This regime chemical attack on douma broke the last resistance there within two days. More chemical attacks will hasten the assad victory. He who wills the end wills the means. That's Jenkins clear unadorned logic - and it's exactly the same as the regime., Expect assad doesn't pretend to give a shit. He quite simply states that he will kill starve and burn all who disagree and depopulate areas in which opposition exists. This too, is what jenkins thinks needs to happen and the sooner the better.

 

[butchersapron]

This appeared on the intercept today - at the same time as their boss Greenwald is appearing on various authoritarian-state led propaganda channels calling the latest regime chemical attack a false flag:

TARGET: JOURNALIST
How the Assad Regime Tracked and Killed Marie Colvin for Reporting on War Crimes in Syria

 

[Humirax]

May condemns Russia and Assad, but there was no condemnation of the IDF gunning down protesters with their backs turned on the Gaza border

Syria gas attack: Theresa May condemns 'barbaric' targeting of civilians

 

[butchersapron]

May condemns Russia and Assad, but there was no condemnation of the IDF gunning down protesters with their backs turned on the Gaza border

Syria gas attack: Theresa May condemns 'barbaric' targeting of civilians

Anything to say yourself on this in syria - or are you actually doing what you're condemning may for?

 

[Humirax]

Anything to say yourself on this in syria - or are you actually doing what you're condemning may for?

whatevz

 

[butchersapron]

whatevz

Thanks for your contribution to the thread on the various conflicts ongoing in Syria.

 

[Humirax]

Thanks for your contribution to the thread on the various conflicts ongoing in Syria.

you're welcome

 

[Humirax]

Thanks for your contribution to the thread on the various conflicts ongoing in Syria.

weird name yer got there

 

[Humirax]

butchersapron- yuk

 

[butchersapron]

a) don't do this - won't end well for you b) esp don't do it on this thread

 

[teqniq]

TomUS Here you go pretty much what myself and mostly BA said:

ANALYSIS: Why would Israel strike a Syrian government airbase?

 

[Humirax]

The human species really is fucked. What's going on in Syria is a good example of it, as is what's going on with threads like this one.

 

[TruXta]

The human species really is fucked. What's going on in Syria is a good example of it, as is what's going on with threads like this one.

You what now?

 

[Mordi]

This regime chemical attack on douma broke the last resistance there within two days. More chemical attacks will hasten the assad victory. He who wills the end wills the means.

I read the day before the attack that the SAA had broken through the lines of Jaish Islam there. I don't know if that's 100% or not but I really don't understand the regimes willingness to use chemical weapons unless there is some high level brinkmanship going on.

 

[butchersapron]

I read the day before the attack that the SAA had broken through the lines of Jaish Islam there. I don't know if that's 100% or not but I really don't understand the regimes willingness to use chemical weapons unless there is some high level brinkmanship going on.

They dropped chlorine on Aleppo day after day as victory approached - there are simple military hurry up reasons and wider 'shock and awe ' reasons. In this case it worked to turn the local population against JAI who a) wanted to hold out and b) were supposed to police the russian brokered reconciliation process - i.e - stay in the area against regime views. This attack took it out of russian hands and forced the result the regime wanted.

To drop them a year to the day after trumps pointless 50 tomahwaks is to send a lesson to many people - we know you won't do anything. You know they won't do anything.

The whole regime strategy has been characterised by planned barbarity - to judge it by 'rational' measures is to misjudge it's intentions it's aims and it's methods.

 

[teqniq]

More pointless stuff.

Trump to decide on US response to Syria gas attack 'within 48 hours'

 

[butchersapron]

Fantastic piece:

How the Syrian Revolution has transformed me

The Syrian revolution put me on trial for betraying my principles. But instead of condemning me, it taught me the lesson of my life: it was a lesson given with grace and dignity.

I owe an apology to a people who are blamed for a carnage committed against them, just as we have been, and who have been betrayed by an opposition pretending to represent them, just as we have been, too. I owe an apology to a people cynically called upon to bring an alternative to the Assad regime and Islamists while bombs and missiles fall on their heads. Those same people asking “Where is the alternative?” ignore that Syrians who were ready to offer a progressive vision have either been jailed, killed or displaced by the regime.

Little bump for the revolutionaries on here.

 

[Borp]

Is this wikipedia entry incorrect?

However, no evidence exists that the Syrian Government under Bashar al-Assadused the banned nerve agent, Sarin, or any other chemical weapon against its own people during the Syrian Civil War.

Use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Civil War - Wikipedia

Although it does go on to say

In August 2016, a report[8] by the United Nations and the OPCW explicitly blamed the Syrian military of Bashar al-Assad for dropping chemical weapons (chlorine bombs) on the towns of Talmenes in April 2014 and Sarmin in March 2015

It's all highly confusing.

 

[butchersapron]

One is a claim from a recognised body that the regime, russia and iran demanded 'have a look' into their actions and lost. The other one is someone saying it on wikipedia that is false and designed to undermine those findings.

 

[LDC]

FFS, really, Wikipedia for facts about Syrian regime use of chemical weapons? Do you read the bible for medical advice as well?

 

[Borp]

FFS, really, Wikipedia for facts about Syrian regime use of chemical weapons? Do you read the bible for medical advice as well?

No just trying to find out some facts because it looks likely there will be increased military intervention soon.

 

[Borp]

One is a claim from a recognised body that the regime, russia and iran demanded 'have a look' into their actions and lost. The other one is someone saying it on wikipedia that is false and designed to undermine those findings.

Yeah fair enough. From that page it looks like chlorine is definitely confirmed. With maybe still some possibility of doubt about sarin and others.

 

[Pickman's model]

The human species really is fucked. What's going on in Syria is a good example of it, as is what's going on with threads like this one.

Better to keep quiet and have people think you a fool than post something like this ^^ and prove yourself one

 

[rekil]

FFS, really, Wikipedia for facts about Syrian regime use of chemical weapons? Do you read the bible for medical advice as well?

Somebody called "Blob Blobbed" appears to be shitting up the page.

 

[butchersapron]

Douma - the v's are appropriate. They read Stop the crimes of Assad, Russia and Iran.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

not news to most I'm sure but the islamophobia and outright conspiraloon denial has got me worked up tonight.

Scum. Corbyn really needs to kick Milne out. rational politics my arse.

Labour's Response To Syria Chemical Attack Widely Condemned

 

[butchersapron]

not news to most I'm sure but the islamophobia and outright conspiraloon denial has got me worked up tonight.

Scum. Corbyn really needs to kick Milne out. rational politics my arse.

Labour's Response To Syria Chemical Attack Widely Condemned

Their response was beyond shit. I avoided posting it all day for obv reasons. People in the party have to justify or challenge this assadist guff. But they can''t because the leader has grown up and been produced by this anti-imperialist guff.

April 2017 - he says let's not jump to conclusions and let the UN see.

The UN-OPCW sees, blames the assad regime - russia vetoes any UB-OPCW investigation into ANY attack ever.

April 2018 - Corbyn says let's not jump to conclusions and let the UN see. Nothing about the past.

 

[butchersapron]

Bellingcat initial survey of the douma attack:

Open Source Survey of Alleged Chemical Attacks in Douma on 7th April 2018

Summary

1. A large compressed gas cylinder of a type used in previous aerial chlorine attacks was filmed on top of the building where a large number of fatalities were documented.
2. The number of dead bodies that can be established through open source data is 34+.
3. Aircraft spotters reported two Mi-8 Hip helicopters heading southwest from Dumayr Airbase, in the direction of Douma, 30 minutes before the chemical attack in Douma, and two Hip helicopters were observed above Douma shortly before the attack.
4. The Syrian Government has previously been identified as using Mi-8 Hip helicopters to drop chlorine cylinders on opposition held areas.

 

[likesfish]

Assad’s on the rampage unless we have a plan to take him out which we could if we wanted to. But we don’t a bit of light air striking is going to do sod all.