And next, Syria?

[Doctor Carrot]

Even a half-wit like me who sometimes struggles to keep up with this long, tragic conflict has been utterly dumbfounded by so-called lefties embracing the 'false-flag' nonsense. Assad has a rap sheet a mile long for brutalising syrian people (how do these people think this all started ffs?). So I don't need convincing of Assad's guilt.

I have a question (I have loads actually but I don't want to clog the thread like certain posters) and that is why the focus on this attack? why now? What is the reason the American/Brit/French etc have really cranked up the threats now rather than at any of the many earlier opportunities in the last 7 or so years? I can't see it so I would appreciate if someone could point out what is probably galringly obvious. Cheers.

My guess would be because it's a blatant two fingers to Trump, the fact it was done a year to the day that trump launched a load of pointless missiles into the desert is an indicator of that. Trump is probably also very keen to distract his home audience from the waves of an investigation that lap higher and higher at his front door. Also, western countries have certainly shown a united front against Russia in the recent poisoning and I think maybe now is a good time to extend that and show that the west will actually do something in a united fashion?

It could be something completely different of course and my guess is a few Syrian bases will be struck, more than last time, and that will be that but those are a few possible reasons that spring to mind.

 

[bemused]

Even a half-wit like me who sometimes struggles to keep up with this long, tragic conflict has been utterly dumbfounded by so-called lefties embracing the 'false-flag' nonsense. Assad has a rap sheet a mile long for brutalising syrian people (how do these people think this all started ffs?). So I don't need convincing of Assad's guilt.

I have a question (I have loads actually but I don't want to clog the thread like certain posters) and that is why the focus on this attack? why now? What is the reason the American/Brit/French etc have really cranked up the threats now rather than at any of the many earlier opportunities in the last 7 or so years? I can't see it so I would appreciate if someone could point out what is probably galringly obvious. Cheers.

I did ask someone last night why anyone would go to the trouble of dropping chemical weapons in Syria as a false flag - apparently, I wasn't sophisticated enough to understand something to do with oil, pipelines and america etc. This pipeline that seems to be travelling through Afganistan, Iran, Iraq and Syria is taking an awfully long time to build - they must be worried robot ships are going to beat them to it.

Assad is undoubtedly a murderous monster, but any military action against him at this point is merely an act of frustration expressed with munitions than any worthwhile action against him. Essentially this is the West version of smacking a naughty child's legs.

 

[butchersapron]

Can't stay out when we're already in can we.

This is the thing - don't bomb Syria!!! The US has been 'bombing' Syria since 2014 - Russia since 2015 and The regime since 2012. This cry has only ever been heard when assad is the potential target. And note the chemical attacks that have provoked the reactions are not protested or didn't happen. Don't bomb syria? It's been bombed every fucking day for 6 years and you people said nothing! So we can only conclude that they mean don't bomb assad but carry on bombing in support of assad (i.e as they openly did around palmyra) so he can carry on his own bombing.

 

[butchersapron]

Even a half-wit like me who sometimes struggles to keep up with this long, tragic conflict has been utterly dumbfounded by so-called lefties embracing the 'false-flag' nonsense. Assad has a rap sheet a mile long for brutalising syrian people (how do these people think this all started ffs?). So I don't need convincing of Assad's guilt.

I have a question (I have loads actually but I don't want to clog the thread like certain posters) and that is why the focus on this attack? why now? What is the reason the American/Brit/French etc have really cranked up the threats now rather than at any of the many earlier opportunities in the last 7 or so years? I can't see it so I would appreciate if someone could point out what is probably galringly obvious. Cheers.

Specific conjunctural reasons are trump and skirpal. And assad thinking he's in the clear and basically telling trump to fuck off in front of the whole world with putin flicking the V's in the background. Obviously much wider geo-political stuff as well but for the immediate extremely short-term reasons i don't think we need look much further than that.

 

[OzT]

Agree with yoiu TruXta, I know, why I said we, and I mean all other countries, should get out now.

I know it won't be easy but make an effort, not sabre showing

 

[TruXta]

Agree with yoiu TruXta, I know, why I said we, and I mean all other countries, should get out now.

I know it won't be easy but make an effort, not sabre showing

But why? I'm not saying bring on the bombs, far from it. Seems to me you're saying let Assad get on with it.

 

[butchersapron]

I did ask someone last night why anyone would go to the trouble of dropping chemical weapons in Syria as a false flag - apparently, I wasn't sophisticated enough to understand something to do with oil, pipelines and america etc. This pipeline that seems to be travelling through Afganistan, Iran, Iraq and Syria is taking an awfully long time to build - they must be worried robot ships are going to beat them to it.

Assad is undoubtedly a murderous monster, but any military action against him at this point is merely an act of frustration expressed with munitions than any worthwhile action against him. Essentially this is the West version of smacking a naughty child's legs.

The heavy duty openly anti-semitic analysis offered on the 'we support Jeremy Corbyn' facebook support group last night and not challenged by any of the 70 000 members.

 

[bemused]

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The heavy duty openly anti-semitic analysis offered on the 'we support Jeremy Corbyn' facebook support group last night and not challenged by any of the 70 000 members.

I'm no big-time oil pipeline builder. But, I think if I needed a pipeline between Iran and Europe I'm not sure I'd bother going through Iraq and Syria and then into Turkey - when Iran, well, borders Turkey. I'd also be a little worried that ships are considerably cheaper.

 

[OzT]

But why? I'm not saying bring on the bombs, far from it. Seems to me you're saying let Assad get on with it.

Seems too often other countries gets involved in conflicts where they end up doing more harm than good. I'm no pacifist, and no supporter of any dictator doing bad things. But they seem to pick and choose what countries they get involved in, and cynical me and thinking there's a back hand advantage to getting involved here. There are many other countries where the leader or rebels are doing very bad things but no one gets involved in.

It is not a nice suitation, but I do think all the countries now in Syria is making it much worse for the country and its civilians. Where do we draw the line at global policing, and how do we pick the side to support?

I am getting out of my depth here I admit, with politics, was just my 2c worth.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

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The heavy duty openly anti-semitic analysis offered on the 'we support Jeremy Corbyn' facebook support group last night and not challenged by any of the 70 000 members.

I've never looked at that page before... Eurgh, it's quite a swamp isn't it?

 

[bemused]

Seems to me you're saying let Assad get on with it.

I've not seen a practical plan to stop him.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've not seen a practical plan to stop him.

i've not seen a practical plan to stop may; this from the stop the war coalition

 

[Pickman's model]

But why? I'm not saying bring on the bombs, far from it. Seems to me you're saying let Assad get on with it.

he has got away with it. there is no practical way for any country (bar iran and russia) dumping yer man out of power. do you want to go to war over assad, not some piddling little libyan enterprise, nor yet your actual iraqi invasion, but a war in which russia and america face off?

 

[bemused]

i've not seen a practical plan to stop may; this from the stop the war coalition

May should could have dragged this into Parliment and spent a whole week letting people bash Corbyn about Russia and Assad - she doesn't seem to want to do that (at the moment) which is a little refreshing, to me at least.

I'm not against military action - I just don't see what it achieves in this case.

 

[Pickman's model]

May should could have dragged this into Parliment and spent a whole week letting people bash Corbyn about Russia and Assad - she doesn't seem to want to do that (at the moment) which is a little refreshing, to me at least.

I'm not against military action - I just don't see what it achieves in this case.

it brings the real big war closer

 

[TruXta]

he has got away with it. there is no practical way for any country (bar iran and russia) dumping yer man out of power. do you want to go to war over assad, not some piddling little libyan enterprise, nor yet your actual iraqi invasion, but a war in which russia and america face off?

Eh?

 

[Pickman's model]

Eh?

i thought i was very clear. assad has got away with it. doesn't matter whether you think it desirable or not, it is almost inconceivable that he could be toppled without iran and/or russia pushing him out. and that won't happen.

getting involved now runs the risk - a great risk - of escalating things to the point where this great proxy war becomes a very real and widespread catastrophe. is that what you want?

 

[OzT]

Public opinions and good sense didn't stop Blair, more the shame

 

[not-bono-ever]

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The heavy duty openly anti-semitic analysis offered on the 'we support Jeremy Corbyn' facebook support group last night and not challenged by any of the 70 000 members.

That is a terrible terrible FB group - it is littered with chemtrail type guff and low level conspiracy bollocks throughout

 

[Borp]

Fwiw a yougov poll on syria.
YouGov | By two to one, the public oppose missile strikes on Syria

61% believe there probably was a chemical attack by syrian gov forces. 29% don't know. 5% don't believe it happened. 5% believe something else

60% support a no fly zone

Other military action is unsupported.

 

[rekil]

Spoiler: Trigger warning: Galloway

One for all the Galloway mini-mes out there.

 

[TruXta]

i thought i was very clear. assad has got away with it. doesn't matter whether you think it desirable or not, it is almost inconceivable that he could be toppled without iran and/or russia pushing him out. and that won't happen.

getting involved now runs the risk - a great risk - of escalating things to the point where this great proxy war becomes a very real and widespread catastrophe. is that what you want?

I thought I made it clear that I'm not in favour of bombing. But neither am I in favour of trying to ignore it.

 

[Pickman's model]

I thought I made it clear that I'm not in favour of bombing. But neither am I in favour of trying to ignore it.

yeh. so what are you in favour of then? 'dear dr assad, please don't gas people'?

'dear dr assad, i write to you with regard to your gassing syrian citizens recently, which i can't ignore but i wish to put on record my non-agreement with president trump and prime minister may's bombing of your fine country'?

 

[TruXta]

yeh. so what are you in favour of then? 'dear dr assad, please don't gas people'?

What are you in favour of then?

 

[Pickman's model]

What are you in favour of then?

you answering the question in post 8933

 

[TruXta]

yeh. so what are you in favour of then? 'dear dr assad, please don't gas people'?

'dear dr assad, i write to you with regard to your gassing syrian citizens recently, which i can't ignore but i wish to put on record my non-agreement with president trump and prime minister may's bombing of your fine country'?

So going by your mangled logic you're in favour of letting Assad gassing every man, woman and child who opposes him?

 

[Pickman's model]

So going by your mangled logic you're in favour of letting Assad gassing every man, woman and child who opposes him?

what you're saying bears absolutely no resemblence to anything i've said.

in short, it's an invention.

 

[camouflage]

And what, pray tell, would you like to happen? Who do you believe, and why? What purpose does it serve?

I honestly can't say I remember you taking any stance other than "propaganda maaaaaaaan" like some washed up Chomsky fan-boy whose cognitive trouser-pockets have holes so massive your scrunched up ballsack is hanging out.

Fucking state of you.

So, I'm not a state-sponsored conspiraloon Cassus-Bullshit lie muncher, and I read Chomsky. I guess in your language that's an insult. Better myself than the cunt that nods along to the message provided me via the same shitty channels that bollocks'd us into Iraq, Afganistan, Libya, works daily to start shit in Iran and still hasn't owned up to all the work it put in to causing the regime to "overreact" because no problem with the appearance of a "Sunni Principality" in Syria. Meanwhile Bahrain, meanwhile Yemen, meanwhile African slaves being sold by our jolly freedom loving jihadis we helped in Libya (don't mention Manchester obvs), meanwhile has the death-rate of the total number of people Saddam Hussein never manage to kill in Iraq finally started to slow up? (final count what- 100k, 500K couple mill?) who cares! and wasn't ISIS fun eh? Nothin to do with us obvs, we're British. Onward the next batch of old shite. Talk about Fukuyama's "The end of history".

The world is complex, full of lies and agendas and innocent people caught in the cross fire. It's beyond belief that people who consider themselves intelligent happily believe any old bullshit their rulers instruct them in. My scepticism is now more important to me than ever, more important than convincing random people on the internet of some world view I'd like to bring to the table. Without scepticism- I'd be like the smug self-justified Boris Johnson nod-along fucking enablers so common on the thread, and the thought of it makes me sick.

 

[TruXta]

what you're saying bears absolutely no resemblence to anything i've said.

in short, it's an invention.

Quite, exactly how you invented a position that you then attributed to me.

 

[TruXta]

So, I'm not a state-sponsored conspiraloon Cassus-Bullshit lie muncher, and I read Chomsky. I guess in your language that's an insult. Better myself than the cunt that nods along to the message provided me via the same shitty channels that bollocks'd us into Iraq, Afganistan, Libya, works daily to start shit in Iran and still hasn't owned up to all the work it put in to causing the regime to "overreact" because no problem with the appearance of a "Sunni Principality" in Syria. Meanwhile Bahrain, meanwhile Yemen, meanwhile African slaves being sold by our jolly freedom loving jihadis we helped in Libya (don't mention Manchester obvs), meanwhile has the death-rate of the total number of people Saddam Hussein never manage to kill in Iraq finally started to slow up? (final count what- 100k, 500K couple mill?) who cares! and wasn't ISIS fun eh? Nothin to do with us obvs, we're British. Onward the next batch of old shite. Talk about Fukuyama's "The end of history".

The world is complex, full of lies and agendas and innocent people caught in the cross fire. It's beyond belief that people who consider themselves intelligent happily believe any old bullshit their rulers instruct them in. My scepticism is now more important to me than ever, more important than convincing random people on the internet of some world view I'd like to bring to the table. Without scepticism- I'd be like the smug self-justified Boris Johnson nod-along fucking enablers so common on the thread, and the thought of it makes me sick.

Bullshit, you're not sceptical at all, you've been peddling your false flag nonsense for ages. Jog along.