And next, Syria?
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keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
frosty
Not much love and unlike a lot of Russia's neighbours not much fear either.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
CR will be bricking his local kebab shop's windows tonight.
He'll be too busy reaching into the dark corners of the web to find maps written in crayon that prove the Russian plane was over Syria at the time of interception.
That being said the plane did crash in Syria and that's where the pilots were captured, so not looking good for the Turks. It does seem a massive fuck up on their behalf, regardless.
mod
A modernist
Just trying to get my head around who is involved in Syria. Have i missed anyone?
Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and the al-Nusra Front are fighting each other and everyone else near them.
The Syrian National Coalition, which is a political entity supported by dozens of armed groups including the Free Syrian Army have internal conflicts but are mainly fighting Assad, ISIS and al-Nusra Front.
Kurdish groups are fighting Assad but have recently come under attack from Turkey and ISIS.
Turkey shot down a Russian plane today.
Russia and Iran continued their support for Assad and are fighting his enemies. ISIS recently brought down a Russian commercial plane killing 220 tourists.
Hundreds of Lebanese Hizballah fighters have died supporting Assad.
The U.S. supports the moderate rebel groups and has begun conducting airstrikes against ISIS, while maintaining its opposition to Assad.
Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Jordan have conducted airstrikes against ISIS.
In October, French strikes hit an ISIS camp in Raqqa, rumoured to be housing foreign fighters including French nationals. Last week, French officials said planes had struck an ISIS-controlled oil refinery in Syria. On Monday Warplanes took off from the aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle in the eastern Mediterranean and attacked ISIS targets in Iraq and Syria, the French Defence Ministry said.
In August Israel carried out airstrikes on the Syrian side of the Golan Heights. The Israeli army said it carried out the air strike in retaliation for rocket strikes into northern Israel on Thursday, which it said were fired from Syria.
I make that 11 countries already involved plus the Kurds who want independence and two Islamic armies made up of foreign fighters who want to create a ”caliphate" - a state governed in accordance with Islamic law.
Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and the al-Nusra Front are fighting each other and everyone else near them.
The Syrian National Coalition, which is a political entity supported by dozens of armed groups including the Free Syrian Army have internal conflicts but are mainly fighting Assad, ISIS and al-Nusra Front.
Kurdish groups are fighting Assad but have recently come under attack from Turkey and ISIS.
Turkey shot down a Russian plane today.
Russia and Iran continued their support for Assad and are fighting his enemies. ISIS recently brought down a Russian commercial plane killing 220 tourists.
Hundreds of Lebanese Hizballah fighters have died supporting Assad.
The U.S. supports the moderate rebel groups and has begun conducting airstrikes against ISIS, while maintaining its opposition to Assad.
Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Jordan have conducted airstrikes against ISIS.
In October, French strikes hit an ISIS camp in Raqqa, rumoured to be housing foreign fighters including French nationals. Last week, French officials said planes had struck an ISIS-controlled oil refinery in Syria. On Monday Warplanes took off from the aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle in the eastern Mediterranean and attacked ISIS targets in Iraq and Syria, the French Defence Ministry said.
In August Israel carried out airstrikes on the Syrian side of the Golan Heights. The Israeli army said it carried out the air strike in retaliation for rocket strikes into northern Israel on Thursday, which it said were fired from Syria.
I make that 11 countries already involved plus the Kurds who want independence and two Islamic armies made up of foreign fighters who want to create a ”caliphate" - a state governed in accordance with Islamic law.
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Wow, justifying barrel bombs on civillians and lying about the islamist prisoners released by assad - and ignoring his previous funding and use of the very same people in the same way to destabilise Iraq. Almost like he had done it before. Not to mention the election after the reichstag had been burnt receiving retrospective justification. I suspect i'll be back to comment on these later if anyone is still buying it/them that is. But first, here's something nice - the White Shrouds haven't gone away and actually have stepped up their operations. Note also that this is the exact area that the New Syrian Army (a large very well funded, very well armed anti-assad and anti-ISIS group) has sprung up on over the last few weeks. ISIS going to be squeezed from every side once the build-ups and co-ordinations are in place.
Syrian rebels, and their clandestine war against IS
(Of course, none of this should be happening as FSA and other anti-assad arab groups are really secretly ISIS remember)
Syrian rebels, and their clandestine war against IS
(Of course, none of this should be happening as FSA and other anti-assad arab groups are really secretly ISIS remember)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Kurdish groups have an effective truce with assad for the moment. They are fighting ISIS 99% of the time. Even the Kurdish area of control in Aleppo is seen by all sides a neutral and so isn't being barrel bombed (yet) and is a place where supplies can be got through. In the north-east the YPG have allowed assad to keep the airport and part of Hasakah city.
And the the only Islamic really army made up of foreign fighters is ISIS - this was precisely the break point with Nusra.
bimble
floofy
"The UK could join the aerial bombing campaign against Islamic State in Syria before Christmas, the chancellor, George Osborne, has indicated.."
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
proving it's all about the money
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Really interesting Jihadology podcast this week.
Particularly worthwhile is the discussion of Syrian Islamism from the 1980s onwards. It also covers the Assad government's role (or some sector of the Assad government) in facilitating the movement of Salafist foreign fighters to Iraq via Syria during the US occupation and how that ties into the rise of the Islamist factions during the Syrian Civil War.
Particularly worthwhile is the discussion of Syrian Islamism from the 1980s onwards. It also covers the Assad government's role (or some sector of the Assad government) in facilitating the movement of Salafist foreign fighters to Iraq via Syria during the US occupation and how that ties into the rise of the Islamist factions during the Syrian Civil War.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
mod
A modernist
Thanks.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
You sound like a complete arse after that post . And it wasn't a fuck up, it was deliberate . You apologise for fuck ups. You don't immediately call a NATO meeting to hide behind.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Is there anything on it about the moderates repeatedly calling on them to come to Syria from accross the globe for jihad ? Because that's all over YouTube
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
it would seem unlikely - if part of the aim, as well as actually securing the majority, is to divide the Corbynites from the shadow cabinet and the rest of the PLP, then why give the shadow cabinet and PLP an excuse of bad faith on the governments part to not split from the Corbynites?
moreover, the article is specific that Benn, who has made clear he is persuadable, didn't know he had been offered a PC briefing - if the government were playing games, then they would be showering the whole of the Lab front bench with the most privilaged access briefings, knowing that at least half the Shadow Cabinet are at the very least persaudable, and cause untold chaos in Labour by attempting to show the Corbynites to be completely unreasonable...
far more likely to be a standard cock-up, particulrly given that the end result is that fewer Labour MP's will vote for the government in defiance of their leaders wishes.
rekil
to menny cranks
Any good sources of info on how Assad's expansion of neoliberal policies caused inequality to skyrocket? I may have missed stuff due to loons spamming the thread, which I suspect is deliberate.
Along the lines of this pre-war piece:-
and this from 2011 in Lebanon's Al Akhbar (which has been accused of being too pro-Assad)
Along the lines of this pre-war piece:-
and this from 2011 in Lebanon's Al Akhbar (which has been accused of being too pro-Assad)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Useful piece:
The Syrian Regime's Business Backbone
If anyone has full MERIP access this would be handy: Private Capital and the State in Contemporary Syria.
Chapter 7 of Hanieh's Lineages of Revolt : Issues of Contemporary Capitalism in the Middle East has a section the Syrian Economy under assad II.
Economic Liberalization and Reform in Syria: 1970-2005 is what you're really after if you want to get right into it though.
Idris2002
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Takes me to an access request, if it's your account you'll get an email. What you need to do is right click on the file then change the share settings to anyone with link i think.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Ta, never seen it done that way, if click on the expand link it'll take to download location.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
I was as surprised as you are.
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