Anarchist Bookfair 2013 October 19th
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Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
Now then, now then
I'll send you a PM, then?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
It's a mistake to try to separate the two with this bunch. For them political action is in large part about "calling out" people for being "shitty people". It's one reason why the gang war between mainstream media liberal feminists and the more radical liberal intersectionalistas on twitter is such compulsive viewing - both sides are vigorously concerned with policing who is in and who is out of their respective circles.
The Lewis v. Ambreen feud is emblematic of the whole thing. Ambreen botched a "call out". She later apologised, but Lewis scented blood and made an example of her. You can work out much of any given uk twitter feminist's politics by seeing what side they took.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
ska invita
back on the other side
dont be put off by this stuff onket, ive always found it friendly and the meetings welcoming and interesting on the whole - i didnt spot any drama the whole day, but its a big event so something is bound to happen somewhere. Its all a lot more civilised than you might be imaginingGood.
Like I said, I've never been to the bookfair but I'd like to go, one year.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
people only go to poke fun at the loons. that's it, really. the stalls do no trade and the meetings are empty as everyone's outside shouting things at the truthers.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Bizarre. Still, good to see that a squirt of WD40 has sorted out the Vanity Google button
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
jakethesnake
In bed for Britain
I'm in it mostly for the stickers really.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh no one wants the dull old books
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what's cis? classically insipid student?
jakethesnake
In bed for Britain
I got a t-shirt too.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
but not, i note, a book
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Refused stole the book I was gonna buy 
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that'll learn you to fiddle about with your change at the crucial moment.Refused stole the book I was gonna buy
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
But life ISN'T fair.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
In past years i put a book down that i was reading on our table and it was sold. Something similar happened at the stall at the panthers events here last week.Refused stole the book I was gonna buy
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Next year you do the washing and TopCat can iron.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you'll enjoy the dodgems.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Is "black bloc" someone who posts on twitter or is she claiming to have received the secret communique?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This is "black bloc"
A London-based 'anarchist' going by the name of Seamus Colligan (aka O’Colgan) has started a campaign to 'out' anarchists and feminists.
Using his twitter accounts @blacbloc and @JamesLa30236317 he has been posting personal details of people who have stood up against sexual violence and abusive behaviour, in particular those who have been vocally anti-Assange, those who signed the AWOL statement about Paul Cunliffe and those who challenged Seamus about his own alleged sexually violent behaviour. In addition to copying the Met Police into these tweets, he has been contacting people's employers, local fascists and local police forces naming people as anarchists and providing home addresses. This man is a tout and cannot be trusted.
Be careful what you post about yourself and others.
Do not use other people's names or say anything that may identify them.
Do not pass on details of comrades to third parties.
Review your online security - keep personal details separate from public social media accounts.
the circle is squared (by the menz or something - appropriation of minority culture language, little bit racist)
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
In its own way the argument with the unidentified sympathetic but not quite with the program dude in Ambreen's account is quite interesting.
The whole issue is posed as one of his feelings ("pissed off", "heartbroken", "alienated") versus the self-actualisation of the chanters, and their ability to feel powerful, "in control" and beyond being hurt for a few moments. In such a balance the feelings of the oppressed are more important, and he should just suck it up. Now that's actually reasonable enough in some ways - if you take it as a given that progressive politics really do come down to expressing your justified individual ire, exposing "shitty people" and so on.
But even in her account, his feelings aren't all there are to his objection. There is also a tactical element: deliberately over the top, meant-to-shock, slogans are from his point of view likely to annoy rather than convince those who aren't already convinced. Now there are arguments to be had about whether this kind of slogan is always and everywhere counterproductive. It isn't always necessary to moderate language. Being provocative isn't always mistaken. But Ambreen isn't interested in engaging on that ground at all. Instead, having any form of tactical concern for things like winning over the not already convinced is dismissed out of hand -
"Here’s the thing: we don’t give a shit about the average man. We’re not teachers, we’re not leaders, we’re not going to break it down for you in a language you understand. We are expressing ourselves, nothing more, nothing less. We say these extreme things because, powerless as we are, sometimes it is the only thing in our arsenal. Words are powerful, yes, and for those fleeting few seconds, we are in control and you can’t hurt us."
This is a manifesto for politics as a personally satisfying howl into a void. A shout of rage as the method and more shouts of rage as the end goal. It's actually much more interesting in what it says about the politics at work here than the "kill all men" chant itself, which is too obviously silly to get worked up about.
That said, I'll take this lot over Guy Fawksist types throwing around slurs against transgendered people any day.
The whole issue is posed as one of his feelings ("pissed off", "heartbroken", "alienated") versus the self-actualisation of the chanters, and their ability to feel powerful, "in control" and beyond being hurt for a few moments. In such a balance the feelings of the oppressed are more important, and he should just suck it up. Now that's actually reasonable enough in some ways - if you take it as a given that progressive politics really do come down to expressing your justified individual ire, exposing "shitty people" and so on.
But even in her account, his feelings aren't all there are to his objection. There is also a tactical element: deliberately over the top, meant-to-shock, slogans are from his point of view likely to annoy rather than convince those who aren't already convinced. Now there are arguments to be had about whether this kind of slogan is always and everywhere counterproductive. It isn't always necessary to moderate language. Being provocative isn't always mistaken. But Ambreen isn't interested in engaging on that ground at all. Instead, having any form of tactical concern for things like winning over the not already convinced is dismissed out of hand -
"Here’s the thing: we don’t give a shit about the average man. We’re not teachers, we’re not leaders, we’re not going to break it down for you in a language you understand. We are expressing ourselves, nothing more, nothing less. We say these extreme things because, powerless as we are, sometimes it is the only thing in our arsenal. Words are powerful, yes, and for those fleeting few seconds, we are in control and you can’t hurt us."
This is a manifesto for politics as a personally satisfying howl into a void. A shout of rage as the method and more shouts of rage as the end goal. It's actually much more interesting in what it says about the politics at work here than the "kill all men" chant itself, which is too obviously silly to get worked up about.
That said, I'll take this lot over Guy Fawksist types throwing around slurs against transgendered people any day.
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Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Your link doesn't seem to work, but this one leads you to what I presume is the same photo.
http://www.soundthealarm.org.uk/seamus-colligan/
I don't know the case but the guy sounds very bad news.
Hope this doesn't make the mods too twitchy, but I think Butchers is right to post these details up.
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