Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Are you seriously suggesting that a ship's captain who through his show-boating negligence kills 32 passengers should be given a cuddle and a cup of cocoa?
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Are you seriously suggesting that a ship's captain who through his show-boating negligence kills 32 passengers should be given a cuddle and a cup of cocoa?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Being in a state of shock neither explains nor excuses the actions he took which lead up to the disaster.
Off course not. I think 10 years would have been appropriate.
What i have a problem with is genuinly good people that make a one off mistake (no matter what the consequences) being left to rot in jail for 20 years.
I suffered 7 years of abuse by my foster parents. My foster father threw a fork in my eye and blinded me when i was 13, it was swept under the table as an accident. He was a vile abusive bully, (grossly disfigured and his mum had a disfigured eye) a few of the things i suffered, locked in cupboards, tortured, beaten, starved for years, bullied, ostracised from my own family, my little sister was sexually abused by him and later took her own life. When i told the dr he threw the fork at me, it was brushed under the carpet as an accident. Social workers pre 1989 hardly ever visited the "family home", and when they did, and i tried in my limited way to tel them, and even run away, i was coerced back under duress. After a month in hospital havning exploratory surgery and injections in my eye daily for a month to try and save my sight, i was put back with my abusive foster parents aliong with my sisters, for a further 4 years. After 2 of those years we were moved out after sexual abuse allegations. Then my sisters were moved into a childrens home and had extensive counselling, whilst i couldnt be re homed so was put back with those foster parents (deemed not at risk because i was a boy). What punishment do you think is appropriate for those idiot social workers that failed to see obvious abuse over a period of 7 years, that destroyed the lives of 3 children? As it happede they got promotions. So i struggle to baye for blood, when a person makes a genuine one off mistake. As it happens the recent Supreme case Armes v Nottinghmashire CC has made it possible for me now to sue the LA for gross negligence and phsyical harm..but nobody will ever see the inside of a cell.
eta and nobody will ever change my moral compas..
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Sounds horrific what you and your siblings went through. I have no knowledge of the social work system, so really can't comment, at a guess I would imagine that as they didn't perpetrate the abuse, their failure to spot it would not make it a criminal matter, they should either be retrained or fired. However I am aware that social work is far more complex an issue than the tabloids make out.
Many good people make the one-off mistake of drink driving and/or driving badly. When that leads to deaths, should they be treated leniently too?
"Bahnhof Strasse, post: 15320387, member: 31847"]Sounds horrific what you and your siblings went through. I have no knowledge of the social work system, so really can't comment, at a guess I would imagine that as they didn't perpetrate the abuse, their failure to spot it would not make it a criminal matter, they should either be retrained or fired.
Many good people make the one-off mistake of drink driving and/or driving badly. When that leads to deaths, should they be treated leniently too?
The point is the obvious gross negligence and cover up was done over years to make the LAs lives easier, because it was difficult to re home 3 children, 3 children put into care through no fault of our own. There behaviour was much more immoral than that of the captain of the concordia, and they knew they couldnt be held vicariously liable for the acts of foster parents, so fuck the kids innit. Its taken many many years to get this Supreme Court ruling.
Anybody that drink drives should be given automatic jail, they know full well the risks involved in drink driving. A short spell in jail would act as a good deterrent for many drivers. But im not so sure the captain of the concordia thought he was breaking the rules when he set out to do the sail by/wave by..his crime was not being aware of the adverse weather conditions, im not expunging him form culpability, i just think 20 years is excessive, when others act much more immoral over many years and go unpunished.
Many good people make the one-off mistake of drink driving and/or driving badly. When that leads to deaths, should they be treated leniently too?
The point is the obvious gross negligence and cover up was done over years to make the LAs lives easier, because it was difficult to re home 3 children, 3 children put into care through no fault of our own. There behaviour was much more immoral than that of the captain of the concordia, and they knew they couldnt be held vicariously liable for the acts of foster parents, so fuck the kids innit. Its taken many many years to get this Supreme Court ruling.
Anybody that drink drives should be given automatic jail, they know full well the risks involved in drink driving. A short spell in jail would act as a good deterrent for many drivers. But im not so sure the captain of the concordia thought he was breaking the rules when he set out to do the sail by/wave by..his crime was not being aware of the adverse weather conditions, im not expunging him form culpability, i just think 20 years is excessive, when others act much more immoral over many years and go unpunished.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
As I said, I have no experience of social work, so really can't comment further than to guess.
As a captain of a ship he knew full well what the consequences could be for sailing outside of the marked channels, and he knew that as captain the lives of everyone on board were his responsibility. He abused that responsibility and killed 32 of his passengers.
He got 16 years, not 20. Six months prison for every life he took.
And there were no adverse weather conditions, the sea was like a millpond that night:
5 Starompramans and 2 red witches later (half a lager, half a cider, double perno and blackcurrent) and i still cant condem the captain, the poor cunt made a tragic mistake. unlike my abusive foster parents or their abusive sadistic older sons that tortured me, tied me up, threw darts at me, hung me upside down in a closet, beat me daily, called me one eye and cyclops... or the "deliberate" cover up by social services to make thier lives easier..sorry it dosnt even come close to the captins one off mistake,these sadistic cunts tortured me for years and got away with it..and social workers facilitated that abuse..i will never condem a good man for a one off mistake..
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
He didn't make a tragic mistake. He recklessly endangered the lives of the people he was charged with protecting.
It was a tragic mistake as much as it would be a tragic mistake if the driver of a bus full of people deliberately mounted a kerb with a view to performing stunts to impress his passengers, and killed a load of passengers in the process, then ran away from the scene to leave the passengers to die.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
This is why you can't understand why it wasn't just a tragic mistake. Because you don't have the mental capacity to deal with cause and effect.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Don't be ridiculous. He endangered the ship through his vanity and got 30 odd people killed. Have another drink.
Take hold of your cock and follow the fucking plan.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Sounds like you've had enough booze, tbf.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
he'll still be thirsty in the morning, pa
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
have you a better?
Not off the top of my head, which is quite sore ... but i doubt anyone will go to jail for Grenfell Towers, similarly the police and social workers that turned away from the children of Rotherham..my point was poorly made, but constant and persistent omissions and negligence, that cause serious injury and or death, get swept under the carpet..or are settled with fines, resignations and a slap on the wrist.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You've changed your tune.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Red witches innit, could floor a hippo with that muck.
You miss my point "constant and persistent" omissions and negligence like the above examples are swept under the carpet, whilst "momentary lapses" that have tragic consequences can land people in jail for many years. Grenfell is one of those exapmles where (im sure your aware of) residents complained for "years" of dangers to their lifes due to completely inadequate fire safety standards amongst other things yet nobody will end up in jail and they should, for constant and persistent negligence and omissions..where as i have a little more sympathy from one off mistakes by good people, but admittedly Concordia wasnt a good example.
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The captain was a trained professional. He set aside his professionalism, his training and his good sense when he deviated from the marked route. That's NOT an honest mistake, it's wilful negligence.
stuff_it
Too skool for cool
A friend of mine sails for a living - apparently hours worked on the Med don't count as "sea hours" for qualification purposes because it's so calm compared to other seas.As I said, I have no experience of social work, so really can't comment further than to guess.
As a captain of a ship he knew full well what the consequences could be for sailing outside of the marked channels, and he knew that as captain the lives of everyone on board were his responsibility. He abused that responsibility and killed 32 of his passengers.
He got 16 years, not 20. Six months prison for every life he took.
And there were no adverse weather conditions, the sea was like a millpond that night:
Actually we had moved on from this, but as you brought it up..it was an Italian tradition approved by the ship company. So the captain was doing nothiong ilegal.In the case of the Costa Concordia disaster, there is controversy about whether the captain's on-shore superiors had ordered such a salute or had anything to do with it at all. Costa Cruises chief executive Pier Luigi Foschi told a newspaper that the owners of the ship were not aware of "unsafe practices involving ships coming close to shore to give tourists a better view"[3] but also acknowledged and defended the practice in a testimony before an Italian parliamentary committee where he said that sail-by salutes do happen with cruise line approval, calling them "tourist navigations" whereby cruise ships steer close to shore to give passengers a look at the sites, something Foschi said "enriches the cruise product". He also said that "There are many components of the cruise product, and we have to do them like everyone else because we are in a global competition."[1]
the ship company also paid 1 million fine for their negligent evacuation policy in the case of accidents. The accident of hiiting rocks was not the "direct cause" of death..the direct cause was lack of training given to ship personell in evacuation procedure, and many others were found guilty of negligence but given light sentences..whereas the company, shock horror, just got fined. Anybody that understasnds how these ship companies operate understand theere gross negligence..employing philipino staff for less than minimum wage to work 8 months solid without a day off and very little training.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
from where did you copy that?
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