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Starry Wisdom
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America going soft on capital punishment
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bimble
floofy
In this case there was extremely solid evidence he not only stayed quiet but did loads of work to try to cover up what he'd done- so was convicted of manslaughter and perverting the course of justice.
This is the case. Happened right outside my window and i went to the final day at old bailey. Feels really strange bringing it up again but why he wasn't convicted of murder i don't know.
Man found guilty of manslaughter after crushing teen with car
That loos like a clear cut case of murder to me (i jumped the gun readig the emotive headline)..Who was that guy that ran over those people near the mosque recenlty, he was from Wales..im sure he was charged with attempted murder.
eta Darren Osbourne.
Police descend on Cardiff house in London mosque attack investigation
eta Darren Osbourne.
Police descend on Cardiff house in London mosque attack investigation
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Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
I think the jury felt that having his face forever associated with Audi was punishment enough.
Without the facts its difficult to say but i suspect he said he just wanted to chase him and catch him and in no way run him over or hurt him (with the car). So his defence would have been chasing somebody in a car isnt a "virtual certainty" that serious injury or death is likely to happen..unlike Darren Osbourne who intended to run people over.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Awful. See the driving standard thread in transport for an idea why he got manslaughter not murder, crimes committed with cars seem to cause juries to err on the lenient side of things.
In this case it looks like the killer was some senior gang member enforcing 'discipline', (possibly over drugs?) and the sentence he received was 18 years, 12 of which must be served in prison, so not that far off the lower end of minimum recs for a knife killing (albeit one not related to gangs/drugs, that shit ups the minimum rec).
Sorry you had to endure any part of that
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bimble
floofy
thanks Bahnhof Strasse. I didn't know he got 18 years. At the time I thought I didn't really care what punishment was meted out as long as they got the right person but find that i do care now. It was horrific, and to know that several local businesses were involved in helping get the dents out of the car put new wheels etc in the middle of the night.
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This is a relief Ohio calls off execution after failing to find inmate's vein
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
He may not have intended to strand the ship or hurt anyone, but his negligence (and subsequent reaction) made him culpable. He deserved that sentence in my view.
He shouldnt have got off the ship, the captain should be last, but the damage was allready done. It was something the ship often did, sail close to shore to do a "sail by", waving at people on the cliffs. We have a ship does it once a year near us, it gets pretty close to some trecherous reefs/rocks, lots of old ship wrecks there too. What sentence do you think would be appropriate if he hadnt have left the ship?
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Starry Wisdom
don't think one would have been necessary
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
The incident happened at night. Who the fuck were they waving to? It was negligence on the captain's part and his subsequent reaction compounded his fault.
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Starry Wisdom
People on the cliff tops, like to see the ships close up,even at night with all the lights on they do it all the time..he got "too close" this time, a genuine accident. Hes got more time than some child rapists and other scum, i have a problem with over punishing "good people" for negligence.
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Craicy the Squirrel
Guiding a ship full of passengers close to a known reef at night for non-essential purposes is the very definition of negligent. That they got with it before is no excuse. He was supposed to be the captain of a ship, not a joy-riding youngster.
Many ships do it, its allowed. We used to have the QE2 come by close to us, in our very dangerous waters and it got damn close. Im not saying its ok, just that it is more common than you think.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
It's only "allowed" when nobody comes to harm and nobody complains. I doubt there's a specific regulation that allows ships to make risky, non-essential maneuvers for the entertainment of people onshore.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
His show-boating killed thirty two people.
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Starry Wisdom
yeh and that it didn't kill more was down to good fortune rather than his skill.
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Craicy the Squirrel
He was the Captain of a fucking commercial vessel, not some idiot noob helming a dinky little yacht. That he didn't desist from making that fateful maneuver in spite of being aware of the poor weather conditions makes it worse, not better.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Ian Huntley also has to live with his actions for the rest of his life. What has the fact that you live with your actions got to do with anything?
Are you really comparing huntley with the captain of this ship? Im pretty sure huntley couldnt give a shit about his victims.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
No, Huntley killed 16th of the number this prick did.
And his 'fell in to a lifeboat' bullshit demonstrates about as much of a shit as Huntley gave to Jessica Chapman & Holly Wells.
Just cos he didn't set out to do it, doesn't absolve him of culpability for the deaths, hence why he's inside for
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I expect the captain was in a state of shock too hes only human, unlike huntley, who carefully pre meditated those vile crimes.
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