The Italians will play catenaccio.
Amanda Knox Is Innocent
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The Italians will play catenaccio.
No motive.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
It's not obvious at all. There's plenty of evidence to suggest she was involved in some way either during or after the murder. These points are not easily refuted.
Numbers
an ting!
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Poor fucker.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
There's nothing obvious about it at all though is there? There's loads of occurrences that put her and Sollecito at the scene. I'm not sure it passes the beyond reasonable doubt test though and they should therefore be acquitted. However, they have been found guilty - twice. Of course miscarriages of justice happen and yes the Italian legal system has its flaws, as does ours, as does America's and so on....but how often have you seen a trial that found someone guilty, then quashed on appeal, that appeal verdict was then quashed again, re trial of the whole thing and then another guilty verdict? I'm sure it's happened before but it's not that often. Personally I think it was Guede, which is obviuos really and that Knox and Sollecito were either there during or soon after and I'm pretty certain they know more than they're letting on but what do I know? I'm not a lawyer, DNA expert, coroner, judge etc etc.
silverfish
Sprinkling glitter on turds
I not sure whether the "we will get you in the end" Italian style approach gives anyone much faith in their system
To have verdicts contested, chopped and change so much surely indicates more than enough reasonable doubt is in play to fall on the side of the defendants
They actually have someone in prison for the murder as it is. Using his testimony to bolster the case against them, with a reduction of sentence as his reward stinks
To have verdicts contested, chopped and change so much surely indicates more than enough reasonable doubt is in play to fall on the side of the defendants
They actually have someone in prison for the murder as it is. Using his testimony to bolster the case against them, with a reduction of sentence as his reward stinks
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
How does this work in the Schengen area then?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I would think if he showed up in any other Schengen country they'd sent him straight back to Italy without any fuss about extradition.
Regardless of whether the Germans or Austrians or whoever have any faith in this conviction or the Italian legal system in general. Schengen basically reduces everywhere in Europe to the level of the worst court in the worst administration in Europe.
The Pale King
Well-Known Member
But the murder was not carried out by one person, it was carried out by multiple attackers. There is abundant evidence that Knox and Sollecito were there. Nothing they have said since the murder has rung true, they have bullshitted repeatedly and still don't have an alibi for the night of the murder 6 years later.
The Italian justice system is different; it is not necessarily worse.
silverfish
Sprinkling glitter on turds
But the Italian justice system appears unable to score despite having so many open goals?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not just Schengen. The European arrest warrant system does the same thing.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Well apparently it has scored because it's just found them guilty...again. It'll be interesting to read their reasoning for this verdict when they release it.
The Pale King
Well-Known Member
They were found guilty at the first trial; that verdict has just been confirmed.
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
If you're asking the question "does it work?" then by definition it's still only a concept and therefore, not a reality.
Some may argue that reality is only a concept... but, they're often the very people that fail to realise their concepts.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes, there is someone in prison for the murder, one rudy guede.
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
because she was found not guilty in the first trial, and we have laws against trying someone more than once for the same crime. so, it would be similar to extraditing someone to another country, so that they could receive the death penalty for adultery committed in that country, or something. It's against our moral/legal code, and it's not going to happen.
This is ridiculous. What a complete farce. I'm surprised they haven't blmed the McCanns.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's good to see reasoned debate alive and well on urban.
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
why do you say that?
The Pale King
Well-Known Member
Because that's what the court established.
Oh get over yourself; that's one comment trying to relieve a little tension in a fucked up situation none of us can do anything about or will ever fully understand. It was clearly not intended to compete with the Analects of Confucius.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it came across as a crass bit of nonsense.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I don't have an opinion either way, on account of not being party to anything beyond the media reports of the trial(s).
But I can't see how you can have a strong opinion either way, either, assuming you don't have insider knowledge of what went on?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
weak opinions all round then
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
I don't really think it is. I think they had a theory that there were multiple attackers from the start, which they tried to prove might have been the case, but that there was no real evidence for it (I think besides the bra strap, which later got thrown out as evidence, there wasn't really anything else to point to anyone else being there during the crime). Of course, there's no real evidence against it. Just because you don't find anyone else's dna or footprints or clothing fibers, etc, doesn't mean there wasn't anyone else there. But that's where it gets into farce territory, imo. Theoretically, there could be any number of people at any murder.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
She was found guilty at the first trial.
Plus we have laws that allow you to be tried twice for the same crime, if that crime is serious.
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
ok, well, you know what I meant. And I said "we" because I am in the US. We have a law against trying someone twice for the same crime. It's called double jeopardy. British laws have no relevance here.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The UK does. A knee-jerk reaction to botched prosecutions brought in by the last govt and a thoroughly bad thing, imo. AFAIK, the US does not.
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