Combustible
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I don't think the so called apologists needed any further evidence about the disgraceful nature of the Italian criminal justice system.
Amanda Knox Is Innocent
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I don't think the so called apologists needed any further evidence about the disgraceful nature of the Italian criminal justice system.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
But he's still gonna be in prison for murdering Kercher right? So has the prosecution come up with a scenario by which all three of them took turns to murder her, or are they happy to consider three different people responsible for two different versions of the same crime?
This is not Kafkaesque at all, this would never get published as a work of fiction on the grounds that it was too fucking stupid for words.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Next they'll be executing people for the murder of someone who is still alive.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
It's unlikely this happened in this case and I lean towards it being an injustice but, as I'm sure you're aware, more than one person can be convicted for murdering one person.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I'm aware of that. What I'm not aware of is any credible scenario whereby all three people who have been convicted could have been involved in the murder. Even if such a scenario did exist, I fail to see how it could be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Yeah it's the reasonable doubt bit that I find the most troubling. I have to say having read around various media sites this evening I find the number of armchair lawyers fucking hilarious 
. The passions it's ignited in some people really is quite something. There's one bloke on the Guardian with a massive hardon for the whole affair, he even listed a bloody great slew of books he's apparently read that proves Knox and Sollecito innocent.
. The passions it's ignited in some people really is quite something. There's one bloke on the Guardian with a massive hardon for the whole affair, he even listed a bloody great slew of books he's apparently read that proves Knox and Sollecito innocent.
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
so, (many of) you guys actually still believe Knox had something to do with this? wow.
The Pale King
Well-Known Member
Yeah it's the reasonable doubt bit that I find the most troubling. I have to say having read around various media sites this evening I find the number of armchair lawyers fucking hilarious
That Guardian thread is a fucking horrorshow. Knox and Sollecito seem to have attracted some very odd partisans.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
At this point you basically have to admit that the truth no longer exists as a meaningful thing.
e2a: Apart from the fact that Kercher is still dead, which no verdict and no punishment is ever likley to change.
e2a: Apart from the fact that Kercher is still dead, which no verdict and no punishment is ever likley to change.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
There's a couple of factors I think you've missed. Officially she's now a fugitive on a murder conviction. If she leaves the US that'll flag up on the immigration computers of pretty much any country she might visit. There'd be little to stop a country wanting either to curry favour with Italy, piss off the USA or both from holding her as a fugitive and offering her to the Italians for extradition.
Second, countries don't need a formal extradition treaty to hold a fugitive found within their borders and offer them to wherever they're a fugitive from. Which would make it a tad more difficult for the US State Department to intervene if she were arrested entering some other country who decided to offer to extradite her back to Italy.
Her defence managed to have the forensic evidence independently examined. The independent experts from Sapienza University blasted the police and forensic experts for their collection and handling of the forensic evidence in this case. I doubt very much that the forensic evidence would remained admissible in a British or American court once the defence raised its collection, handling and analysis.
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
this. ^
The Pale King
Well-Known Member
http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/amanda-knox-admits-staging-burglary.html
...kind of a coincidence, that.
...kind of a coincidence, that.
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
not a coincidence at all. Amanda Knox says stupid, ridiculous things. which is how she got herself into this mess in the first place. Is that story published on any actual news site, btw?
Fez909
toilet expert
You don't need it to be on a news site: you can read it on her blog: http://www.amandaknox.com/2013/12/18/with-respect-to-the-kercher-family/
Search for "fools" within that page and you'll find her comment.
Dude, the prosecutor thinks she's a witch. Literally. This is a witch trial.
Oh no you don't.
I'm not going to go through the whole argument again. But seriously, anyone who looks at this case rationally can clearly see that she's innocent. The prosecutor is barking mad.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Of course it's real. The only question is: does it work?
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
The whole thing..... i've thought about it lots and come to same conclusion everytime - WTF? I have no idea.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
I have no idea whether or not the people convicted are guilty.
It's the Kercher family I feel for. It must be awful to still not have closure after all this time.
It's the Kercher family I feel for. It must be awful to still not have closure after all this time.
Yep. It can't really help them to have it dragged up onto the front pages again. More to follow also
I feel a bit sickened by it all, but it didn't stop me watching the interview on The Guardian website this morning. Doesn't really shine any light on the truth.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
frank sinatra thought so
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
where was the spectral evidence then?
stowpirate
skinflintish camera nut
I get it now, rich and powerful Dad, vice president of Macy's? Normal people guilty or not would have still been in an Italian Jail.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
There will be a final trial in which they will be found not guilty; two-all will be the final score with innocence proved on the away goals rule...
Nothing shown links Guede's admitted murder with Knox's supposed murder, except the victim. Italian justice is as wonky as they come.
Nothing shown links Guede's admitted murder with Knox's supposed murder, except the victim. Italian justice is as wonky as they come.
How the hell is anyone supposed to make sense of this?
Why wouldn't the us extradite her?
Why wouldn't the us extradite her?
He's lost his job and the family is skint.
Because she is so obviously innocent.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
I've not posted on this thread before. I read it at the time but the events of yesterday made me read through the evidence on both sides and a few things struck me, some of which are well known and a few others that i couldnt find much mention of.
Burglary - obviously staged. Window was 13ft off the ground, someone would have had to climb up, open the shutters then climb back down, get a rock throw it through the window. Then climb back up without crushing glass on the window cill, which they did, before gaining entry. It was wet at the time but there were no marks on the side of the house or window cill consistent with someone hauling themselves up/climbing in. Additionally glass was on top of objects that the occupier of the room said had clearly been moved. Im not sure someone who didn't live in the house and had just committed murder would spend time staging a break-in before leaving. For what purpose?
Locked bedroom door & Missing Footprint - Having committed the murder the murderer supposedly then locked Meredith Kercher's bedroom door behind them. Why? Who knows, however it would appear that this was not the case as the pattern of blood stained footprints outside the door were consistent with someone walking straight out of the room. Tests showed that someone turning to lock the door would have left an 'extra footprint' as they turned to lock the door.
Testimonies - both of the accused changed their stories several times. Both Sollecito claimed they had spent a good deal of time surfing the internet after watching a flim on the computer. ISP information showed that at the times claimed this was categorically not the case as there was no activity after 9:10pm. They were either at home not doing what they said, or they were somewhere else.
Knox claimed in an email to friends and family that on returning to the house the next morning and finding the scene, she and Sollecito had been concerned enough about the fact that Kercher's door was locked to try and break it down - after Knox had apparently leaned over the veranda to try and look into Kercher's room. Apparently they couldn't do so and so they called the police. When the local police turned up they fail to mention the locked door. When asked about it she said that Kercher always locked it, even when taking a shower and it was not of concern. Her housemate upon seeing the locked door said the opposite, that she only locked it when returning to England and that asked the police to break it down, which they did.
There's quite a few more but i wont repeat some of the more obvious stuff. Having said that there's no motive and the police clearly bungled aspects of the investigation. There was enough evidence to put them both at the house on the night, but without and clear motive they seemingly grasped at straws. Im not sure they were involved in the murder directly, but there's clearly something very wrong with their claims as they simply dont add up.
Burglary - obviously staged. Window was 13ft off the ground, someone would have had to climb up, open the shutters then climb back down, get a rock throw it through the window. Then climb back up without crushing glass on the window cill, which they did, before gaining entry. It was wet at the time but there were no marks on the side of the house or window cill consistent with someone hauling themselves up/climbing in. Additionally glass was on top of objects that the occupier of the room said had clearly been moved. Im not sure someone who didn't live in the house and had just committed murder would spend time staging a break-in before leaving. For what purpose?
Locked bedroom door & Missing Footprint - Having committed the murder the murderer supposedly then locked Meredith Kercher's bedroom door behind them. Why? Who knows, however it would appear that this was not the case as the pattern of blood stained footprints outside the door were consistent with someone walking straight out of the room. Tests showed that someone turning to lock the door would have left an 'extra footprint' as they turned to lock the door.
Testimonies - both of the accused changed their stories several times. Both Sollecito claimed they had spent a good deal of time surfing the internet after watching a flim on the computer. ISP information showed that at the times claimed this was categorically not the case as there was no activity after 9:10pm. They were either at home not doing what they said, or they were somewhere else.
Knox claimed in an email to friends and family that on returning to the house the next morning and finding the scene, she and Sollecito had been concerned enough about the fact that Kercher's door was locked to try and break it down - after Knox had apparently leaned over the veranda to try and look into Kercher's room. Apparently they couldn't do so and so they called the police. When the local police turned up they fail to mention the locked door. When asked about it she said that Kercher always locked it, even when taking a shower and it was not of concern. Her housemate upon seeing the locked door said the opposite, that she only locked it when returning to England and that asked the police to break it down, which they did.
There's quite a few more but i wont repeat some of the more obvious stuff. Having said that there's no motive and the police clearly bungled aspects of the investigation. There was enough evidence to put them both at the house on the night, but without and clear motive they seemingly grasped at straws. Im not sure they were involved in the murder directly, but there's clearly something very wrong with their claims as they simply dont add up.
I have no idea whether or not she's innocent. Admittedly I haven't been following this whole bizzare and tragic affair, but I have no idea how it's obvious?
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