Amanda Knox Is Innocent

[ymu]

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The call was made 15 minutes after 2 postal police came to the house to return mobile phones found in a garden. Knox and Solecitto told them they had "already" called the police (untrue) as there looked to have been a burglary (the staged one). 20 minutes later they actually call the police. They lied to the postal police who surprised them outside the house, which incidentally stunk of bleach from the cleaning.

To make sense of this it needs to be seen in context.

IIRC (and I may not) the timestamps on the CCTV were not accurate and this point has been brought into question. You'll have to do your own digging to check this, but at least some of the dodgy timing evidence has been resolved.

 

[Fedayn]

Appeal court re-instates guilty verdict.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25941999

A court in Italy has reinstated the guilty verdicts against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito for the murder of UK student Meredith Kercher in 2007.

American Knox and her Italian ex-boyfriend Sollecito - who had pleaded not guilty - now face long jail sentences.

 

[T & P]

What a surprise. Too fucking bad she won't face justice and- undoubtedly- the US government will not extradite her.

 

[Bakunin]

25 years for Sollecito.

28 years for Knox.

 

[Wilson]

Maybe time to change the thread title

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Good news. Hopefully she will be extradited but we'll see how the US responds to those proceedings.

 

[DotCommunist]

Good news. Hopefully she will be extradited but we'll see how the US responds to those proceedings.

mrs knox is never leaving US soil again for so long as she may live

 

[danny la rouge]

mrs knox is never leaving US soil again for so long as she may live

What about her daughter?

 

[twentythreedom]

Sollecito's there isn't he? Is he going to jail?

 

[krtek a houby]

About bloody time. One in the eye for the apologists here.

 

[Treacle Toes]

25 years for Sollecito.

28 years for Knox.

I heard tonight on the radio that he would be present for the verdict....he will go to jail and AK not?

 

[Bakunin]

I heard tonight on the radio that he would be present for the verdict....he will go to jail and AK not?

He wasn't in court for the verdict having cited stress as his reason. His passport has been confiscated so it's very likely he'll be picked up ASAP.

As for Knox, that depends on whether the US Secretary of State (John Kerry) approves a request under the 1983 extradition treaty between Italy and the US. Even if he approves the US Supreme Court would still have to rule on whether granting the request would be constitutional.

 

[Joe Reilly]

Good news. Hopefully she will be extradited but we'll see how the US responds to those proceedings.

The chance of her being extradited is zero. The trial, the appeal, the appeal of the appeal, and now the imminent appeal of the latest re-instated verdict is high farce. It makes the entire Italian justice system/state look utterly random and absurd. To describe the entire process as Kafkaesque fails do it justice. Absolutely bonkers.

 

[goldenecitrone]

The chance of her being extradited is zero. The trial, the appeal, the appeal of the appeal, and now the imminent appeal of the latest re-instated verdict is high farce. It makes the entire Italian justice system/state look utterly random and absurd. To describe the entire process as Kafkaesque fails do it justice. Absolutely bonkers.

I must say, my faith in the Italian Justice system isn't too high. Didn't they prosecute some scientists a while back for failing to predict an earthquake?

 

[farmerbarleymow]

The chance of her being extradited is zero. The trial, the appeal, the appeal of the appeal, and now the imminent appeal of the latest re-instated verdict is high farce. It makes the entire Italian justice system/state look utterly random and absurd. To describe the entire process as Kafkaesque fails do it justice. Absolutely bonkers.

Sadly you're probably right.

 

[TruXta]

I must say, my faith in the Italian Justice system isn't too high. Didn't they prosecute some scientists a while back for failing to predict an earthquake?

Not quite. This piece is pretty decent http://news.sciencemag.org/earth/2013/01/judge-laquila-earthquake-trial-explains-his-verdict

 

[Joe Reilly]

I must say, my faith in the Italian Justice system isn't too high.

'Sex game gone wrong', then 'satanism', now the motive offered up is 'something to do with an unflushed toilet'.

Meanwhile the chief prosecution witness Guede has his sentence halved while Knox has her sentence increased. Mental.

 

[sleaterkinney]

So the guy they convicted, who's DNA was found on Kercher, and his skin cells inside her body, and who had a history of armed break-ins. what of him then?.

 

[Joe Reilly]

He wasn't in court for the verdict having cited stress as his reason. His passport has been confiscated so it's very likely he'll be picked up ASAP.

No he won't.

 

[Joe Reilly]

So the guy they convicted, who's DNA was found on Kercher, and his skin cells inside her body, and who had a history of armed break-ins. what of him then?.

Reduced sentence from 32 years to 16 in return for putting the other two in the frame.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Reduced sentence from 32 years to 16 in return for putting the other two in the frame.

Why wouldn't he?

Nuts.

 

[Joe Reilly]

Why wouldn't he?

Nuts.

Yeah, quite the hero. What really stinks is that he was tried first and seperately in order to facilitate him doing his turn for the prosecution. However he still hasn't been invited to explain what actually happened on the night. Which is seriously twisted when you think about it.

 

[white rabbit]

I must say, my faith in the Italian Justice system isn't too high. Didn't they prosecute some scientists a while back for failing to predict an earthquake?

One might ask what kind of scientist can't make reliable predictions. Economists, sociologists, psychotherapists, and by the look of it, volcanologists.

 

[TruXta]

One might ask what kind of scientist can't make reliable predictions. Economists, sociologists, psychotherapists, and by the look of it, volcanologists.

Seismologists actually. Or geologists more generally. /derail over

 

[white rabbit]

Seismologists actually. Or geologists more generally. /derail over

Yes. Why was I thinking of volcanoes?

 

[T & P]

I'm surprised Dwyer hasn't been along yet to speak of kangaroo courts and flawed DNA evidence...

 

[TruXta]

Yes. Why was I thinking of volcanoes?

There's a couple famous Italian ones?

 

[Joe Reilly]

I'm surprised Dwyer hasn't been along yet to speak of kangaroo courts and flawed DNA evidence...

DNA evidence is only ever as reliable as the people collecting to begin with and then later processing it.

 

[white rabbit]

DNA evidence is only ever as reliable as the people collecting to begin with and then later processing it.

It seems to be incredibly vulnerable to criticism by a competent defence team. I'm inclined to side with the prosecution in this, but the case is weak enough that it should fail the beyond reasonable doubt test. Sometimes these things just don't get resolved.

 

[Mr Moose]

I still don't get how the murder was supposed to have happened.

Three convicted, when did they meet and work together? What was the motive?

I'm also still puzzling why there does not appear to be any previous history of violence concerning Knox and Solicetto. Murder from a standing start is one hell of a progression.

From those who are convinced what's the clincher that isn't circumstancial?