Amanda Knox Is Innocent

[dylans]

Miscarriages of justice is an ethereal ideal based on a mythical sense of justice, a justice which does not exist outside of a few neat tales involving King Solomon.

Of all of the injustices in the world the trials around a pile of priveleged white folk is not the top of my list though.

I find this quite an arrogant and bizarre post frankly. Would the conviction of the birmingham 6 have been any less a tragic injustice if those falsely convicted had been wealthy?

I can't think of much worse than being falsely convicted and serving decades in prison for something I didn't do. To dismiss this as "ethereal" or claim it is based on a "mythical sense of justice" just begs the question,would you be so flippant if it were you serving 20+ years for something you didn't do. Nothing ethereal about that. Its about as concrete and solid as it gets

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes by his own people, although the latter lacks the more personal touch, the end result is the same. Matters not if by furious mob or cold judge. Miscarriages of justice is an ethereal ideal based on a mythical sense of justice, a justice which does not exist outside of a few neat tales involving King Solomon.

Of all of the injustices in the world the trials around a pile of priveleged white folk is not the top of my list though.

it is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than post and prove you are.

 

[Deareg]

Yes by his own people, although the latter lacks the more personal touch, the end result is the same. Matters not if by furious mob or cold judge. Miscarriages of justice is an ethereal ideal based on a mythical sense of justice, a justice which does not exist outside of a few neat tales involving King Solomon.

Of all of the injustices in the world the trials around a pile of priveleged white folk is not the top of my list though.

Sorry mate but you have largely lost me again, of the bits that I have followed, without wanting to be rude, they are bullshit.

 

[Giles]

When do we get to find out if she is a witch or not?

Giles..

 

[Ae589]

Tonight, I believe.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Tonight, I believe.

By the end of the week.

However, I suspect some powerful people will want to see this go to the supreme court. there's still too much doubt.

Italy has to clear it's reputation properly. Exchange students and ERASMUS students is big business. Most US students come from wealthy families.

 

[phildwyer]

There's a possibility (although a not particularly plausible possibility) that a combination of weed-induced paranoia and being "up" could tip someone from violent fantasy to violent reality

Yes well, there's a possibility that Atomic Suplex is Christopher Hitchens in disguise. I wouldnt stake my freedom on it though.

 

[peterkro]

I have no horse in this race I've no idea of the guilt or otherwise of any of the parties,I do have ever know that people get banged up every day of the week with considerably less publicity than this case has generated and the corporate media in the US,UK,Italy etc couldn't give a shit.Stereotypical media "good looks",money and US citizenship makes for a story that shows they care about justice (not).

 

[phildwyer]

You misunderstand also what I am getting at re the money from the PR campaign and buying journalists favours. The money isn't being spent on stickers, it's no doubt finding it's way into certain journalist's pockets as many of them will argue your case for a price. Hven't you ever noticed product placement in articles? It's a similar practice.

I knew what you meant, and a million dollars isn't enough to buy it. Quite apart from the complete lack of evidence for any such corruption.

 

[phildwyer]

Rudy had a long history of breaking windows in order to get in places and steal stuff.

A recent history too. That bloke is a nutter if ever I saw one.

 

[phildwyer]

Theres boat loads of other evidence. It's like if 10 people witnessed me steal a car but the defense wanted to argue which shoes I was wearing that day.

This ought to be good.

OK Atomic, how is the Knox case like an argument about the footwear of an accused car thief...

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

This ought to be good.

OK Atomic, how is the Knox case like an argument about the footwear of an accused car thief...

Oh come on, I realize from your posts that you probably have not read much about the case, but you can't be so stupid that you can't read the very the post you quote from?

Obviously it's completely inconsequential.

 

[Anudder Oik]

a. but the knife did not match the wounds. they discovered that a long time ago

b. the bread thing is a new discovery made in the past few days (iirc), and the thing that finally made me think there really is no evidence that Knox and Sollecito were involved. It had always been described as a very microscopic bit of something on the blade. It was never suspected to be blood. The next thing was that it was actually a starch, and then ultimately identified as bread 'DNA'
here's one link, but I'm sure you can find several more
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/01/earlyshow/saturday/main20114277.shtml

Has the bread angle been brought up in the trial? I don't think it has. It looks to me to be more shite reporting on the case from histerical and lying american media who are in a kind of patriotic frenzy and leading the public along like sheep to the trumpet call of "Amanda is one of ours". They pay no attention to the weight of evidence and leave out the facts that prove them wrong.

If you want to seriously research the case you should stear clear of american media. They've whipped up so much passion over the case that fruitcakes are holding a vigil in Seattle and preparing for a public celebration. Nobody has told them about the rest of the evidence. Any journalist who dared to speak the truth would probably be hounded as unpatriotic in the current climate over there.

There is much more information and thoughtful questioning at this link.

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php

 

[belboid]

Has the bread angle been brought up in the trial? I don't think it has.

It has, in passing mention. The main argument was that there wasn't enough DNA to tell if it was Knox's blood, that there was so little it could even be rye bread. It certainly wasn't them saying it explicitly was rye bread.

Even if the knife is excluded tho, there is still more than enough evidence.

 

[Anudder Oik]

How the Rye bread was reported by CBS news

The piece of evidence that really damned Amanda was the notion that her DNA was on the handle of the knife and the victim's DNA was on the blade, but what was really on the blade was residue from - rye bread, and I kid you not.
"This entire case has been a farce, and it's now out there for the world to see."

They're cunts...It may be out there for the world to see but it isn't in the united states.

 

[Ae589]

It has, in passing mention. The main argument was that there wasn't enough DNA to tell if it was Knox's blood, that there was so little it could even be rye bread. It certainly wasn't them saying it explicitly was rye bread.

Even if the knife is excluded tho, there is still more than enough evidence.

To convict Knox? What's the most damning piece?

 

[belboid]

Her lies, the mixed dna's from around the apartment, and Sollecito's footprint.

 

[Ae589]

Which lie?
Which piece of dna?

 

[Jon-of-arc]

This thread is all the evidence that we need that, even if "contempt of court" laws did not exist in this country, urban would have to ban the discussion of ongoing trials on account of the amount of assumptions and half baked truths that people use to decide the guilt (or lack-there-of) of the defendant.

News check, people - you're not sat in the case, so you're not really in a position to judge the "real" evidence. Trial by media is the best you can manage. Pretty sure that's a bad thing.

(FWIW, I think she didn't done it... )

 

[belboid]

which lie? Pick any you like! Even after all the changes of story, their version doesn't make any sense, it's incredibly far-fetched. Sollecotio's fabrication for why (supposedly non-existent) blood got onto that knife is a corker of a porker tho.

DNA - that found mixed with Meredith’s blood in the bathroom, hallway, and in the room with the supposed break-in

This thread is all the evidence that we need that, even if "contempt of court" laws did not exist in this country, urban would have to ban the discussion of ongoing trials on account of the amount of assumptions and half baked truths that people use to decide the guilt (or lack-there-of) of the defendant.

News check, people - you're not sat in the case, so you're not really in a position to judge the "real" evidence. Trial by media is the best you can manage. Pretty sure that's a bad thing.

(FWIW, I think she didn't done it... )

all very true - and exacerbated by the fact that it is happening under a judicial system which is unfamiliar (in detail at least) to most of us. But we can't have any effect upon the outcome, and, yeah, its all media/google based, but as whatever we say has bugger all bearing on any outcome......

 

[Ae589]

which lie? Pick any you like! Even after all the changes of story, their version doesn't make any sense, it's incredibly far-fetched. Sollecotio's fabrication for why (supposedly non-existent) blood got onto that knife is a corker of a porker tho.

DNA - that found mixed with Meredith’s blood in the bathroom, hallway, and in the room with the supposed break-in

all very true - and exacerbated by the fact that it is happening under a judicial system which is unfamiliar (in detail at least) to most of us. But we can't have any effect upon the outcome, and, yeah, its all media/google based, but as whatever we say has bugger all bearing on any outcome......

You pick a lie. Changing your story after a 14 hours interview in a language that is not your own without representation does not a murderer make.
The blood that was in the bathroom was there when Amanda came home, according to her story. That fits.

I just see a murderer with plenty of evidence against him who has been convicted.
Then for some reason, there are these two people with no motive, linked by DNA evidence from a shared house they were *supposed* to be in, and a sensationalist, misogynistic she-devil story.

If the knife has Meredith's blood on, and matches the murder weapon, and was found in Sollecito's apartment, then I grant you that is pretty damning evidence of at least his involvement. Take that away though (as you proposed earlier) and there's nothing.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Filomena testified that Meredith and Amanda had begun to have issues with each other towards the end.

And Amanda knox's statement today

I had good relationships with everyone who lived in my flat. We all had good relationships. We helped each other. I shared my life, particularly with Meredith. We were friends. She was worried about me. She was very kind to me.

Now, when you see photos of the flat you may understand how Meredith came to be pissed off with Amanda for not pulling the chain etc. Amanda describes herself as sloppy.

Guede told the court how Meredith's rent money had gone missing, insinuating that it was Amanda who had taken it.

Although the last part cannot be proven I think that to conclude that there would be friction due to lack of respect in the house is unchallengable.

Go find pictures of the flat. It is tiny, like a submarine. 4 girls lived there and barely had room to step out of their beds in their rooms.

 

[belboid]

You pick a lie. Changing your story after a 14 hours interview in a language that is not your own without representation does not a murderer make.
The blood that was in the bathroom was there when Amanda came home, according to her story. That fits.

A change of story would be fine, and understandable. Not the grassing up some other guy just cos you can tho. And there are the other changes later on, and the still contradictory stories.

& Sollecito's footprint deffo doesnt fit with their story.

 

[Anudder Oik]

You pick a lie. Changing your story after a 14 hours interview in a language that is not your own without representation does not a murderer make.
The blood that was in the bathroom was there when Amanda came home, according to her story. That fits.

I just see a murderer with plenty of evidence against him who has been convicted.
Then for some reason, there are these two people with no motive, linked by DNA evidence from a shared house they were *supposed* to be in, and a sensationalist, misogynistic she-devil story.

If the knife has Meredith's blood on, and matches the murder weapon, and was found in Sollecito's apartment, then I grant you that is pretty damning evidence of at least his involvement. Take that away though (as you proposed earlier) and there's nothing.

1.They staged a break in.

2. Knox's lamp was locked in Meredith's room (In a way that showed it was used to illuminate a cleaning up)

3. Police arrive for mobile phones, Knox, "we've already called police" (bollox)

4. Male and Female footprints in blood in bare feet (cleaned and not visible to the eye). Can anyone confirm that Guede's shoed footprints beside them weren't cleaned?

5. Knox's "worried" calls to Meredith's phone in morning lasted less than 3 seconds. This implies that she only wanted to record her calls on Meredith's phone as there was no time for her to answer. This is admittedly weak as evidence on it's own but there's loads of similar stuff that builds up a picture when put together.

Cartwheels at the police station, She explained details she shouldn't have known to Merediths friends at police station re nature of cuts, Lies and more lies...House smelled of bleach when police arrived, only one of Amanda's fingerprints in the whole house despite the fact she lived there. Washing machine warm with only victim's clothes inside. She'd been dead for more than 10 hours.

Sollecito in a letter to family explains how the victim's blood came to be on the knife. He says she came to dinner at his place and he accidentally cut her hand. She NEVER went there...her movements are accounted for on all of the 8 days Knox dated Sollecito. He lies in the letter because the DNA evidence was yet to be questioned. He, in effect, confirms it to be true.

Whatsmore knox falsely and maliciously accused a black man, the wrong one. Strange how she got that part right though, isn't it.

Oh and there's more, She claimed she returned to the house to shower in the morning and to get a mop to take back to clean Sollecitos leaking sink, at his place, where she had stayed the night. There is a shower and a mop already at his place, funny enough.

Sollectito says he was on his computer all night at home. No he wasn't....

 

[Fedayn]

A lawyer on BBC News has just said that there's 10,000 pages of evidence and that the seeming success of the defence in challenging the DNA doesn't mean it's as simply as people seem to thoink. The totally conflicting evidence, Knox confession and the other physical evidence also have a big part to play. The dispute over Knox confession, the prosecution saying it's legit the defence saying it was made under duress.

 

[savoloysam]

a. but the knife did not match the wounds. they discovered that a long time ago

b. the bread thing is a new discovery made in the past few days (iirc), and the thing that finally made me think there really is no evidence that Knox and Sollecito were involved. It had always been described as a very microscopic bit of something on the blade. It was never suspected to be blood. The next thing was that it was actually a starch, and then ultimately identified as bread 'DNA'
here's one link, but I'm sure you can find several more
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/01/earlyshow/saturday/main20114277.shtml

Yeah american media supporting is really reliable. The land of truth freedom and justice

 

[Anudder Oik]

A lawyer on BBC News has just said that there's 10,000 pages of evidence and that the seeming success of the defence in challenging the DNA doesn't mean it's as simply as people seem to thoink. The totally conflicting evidence, Knox confession and the other physical evidence also have a big part to play. The dispute over Knox confession, the prosecution saying it's legit the defence saying it was made under duress.

Don't let the american public know. They're just not ready for this kind of seriousness.

 

[savoloysam]

OMG wanky american reporter on C4 stating "she might get found innocent and charged instead with a lesser offence of staging a break in"

Now why the fuck would they stage a break after finding a murder in their flat FFS.

 

[Anudder Oik]

OMG wanky american reporter on C4 stating "she might get found innocent and charged instead with a lesser offence of staging a break in"

Now why the fuck would they stage a break after finding a murder in their flat FFS.

Obviously a statement aimed at fuckwits. Now, who could they be?

 

[belboid]

because they may decide there isnt enough proof to convict them of acively committing the murder, but there is of them actively coverng it up.

K&S arriving back at the court for the verdict now