Amanda Knox Is Innocent

[ViolentPanda]

So we can add "drugs" to the long list of "things about which Belboid knows nothing."

I'm sorry Belboid, but smoking a joint does NOT make one more likely to commit murder.

On the contrary, it is said to produce a relaxed and "mellow" vibe more conducive to simply hanging out and chillaxing.

Depends on the variety being smoked. Some can make you very "up" and hyper. Most varieties that have been around in the last 10 years aren't like the Thai weed and red Leb you smoked at uni, phil. There's a possibility (although a not particularly plausible possibility) that a combination of weed-induced paranoia and being "up" could tip someone from violent fantasy to violent reality, but that'd only work if you were predisposed, and could be proven to be predisposed to violent fantasy.

 

[dylans]

Hmm, if you're going to be scrupulously fair, then it's incumbent on you to acknowledge that nitrocellulose contamination from household products (including playing cards) was a common mistake made by forensic (independent or retained) investigators well into the 1980s, because it wasn't commonly understood just how easily trace amounts of it transfer onto the skin, or how robust/long-lived those traces can be in amenable conditions.

Perhaps but there were also questions of competency involved. The court of appeal in 1991 said of Dr Skuse, the state forensic scientist in the Birmingham 6 case that "Dr Skuse's conclusion was wrong, and demonstrably wrong, judged even by the state of forensic science in 1974"
In the Judith Ward case the court of appeal said there was "impressive evidence that Skuses tests were of "no value" and he was criticised not only for the tests used but for the way in which he conducted them and the conclusions he drew from them

Skuse himself erroneously said of the Greiss test that tests for nitroglicerine, that a positive reaction indicated that the accused's hands were "dripping with nitroglicerine". Skuse himself was removed from the civil service in 1985 due to "limited efficiency". a polite term for incompetency.

 

[Anudder Oik]

It looks like a real break-in to me. If it was staged, it was an incredibly accomplished job for three panicked people who had just murdered their mate in cold blood.

Now you are coming across as deliberately misleading. The Knox family has been reported as spending ONE million (singular) on their campaign, which was everything they could beg, steal or borrow. So obviously not a wealthy family then.

And if you really believe that Time magazine can be bought for a million dollars then you know nothing about the media.

It WAS a staged break in where the broken glass from the window was scattered on top of the clothes thrown around the room and nothing was taken. When the court tried to restage the break in they found it impossible to scale that side of the building. Amanda knox's DNA was found mixed with a drop of the victim's blood in that room.

You misunderstand also what I am getting at re the money from the PR campaign and buying journalists favours. The money isn't being spent on stickers, it's no doubt finding it's way into certain journalist's pockets as many of them will argue your case for a price. Hven't you ever noticed product placement in articles? It's a similar practice.

 

[ymu]

It WAS a staged break in where the broken glass from the window was scattered on top of the clothes thrown around the room and nothing was taken. When the court tried to restage the break in they found it impossible to scale that side of the building. Amanda knox's DNA was found mixed with a drop of the victim's blood in that room.

You misunderstand also what I am getting at re the money from the PR campaign and buying journalists favours. The money isn't being spent on stickers, it's no doubt finding it's way into certain journalist's pockets as many of them will argue your case for a price. Hven't you ever noticed product placement in articles? It's a similar practice.

The body was moved some hours after the death too - the break-in was almost certainly staged at the same time as the murder scene was rearranged. The imprint of Meredith's shoulder and bra-strap were in a pool of blood by the wardrobe - but the body was found in the middle of the room under a duvet with bra removed, with no blood stains under where her bra would have been.

This is the essence of the case against Knox and Sollecito. Guede had no reason to come back and stage a break-in or make it look like a rape scene; only someone who lived in the apartment would have any reason to do that, and Knox was the only person in town with a key to the apartment that night. The clean-up removed nearly every trace of Knox and Sollecito - only one Knox fingerprint was found in the entire house (on a glass in the kitchen) and the bloody footprints had been cleaned up (except the one on the bathroom rug) - but left plenty of physical evidence against Guede.

The neighbour who heard Meredith's last scream heard multiple people running away less than a minute afterwards. The only real evidence against Guede's story is that she watched for a while afterwards and noone else left the house, suggesting that he ran at the same time as the killers, not some time later as he claimed. He also bumped into someone on some steps when he was running away, but I can't find the details of this statement to know if it ties in the timing conclusively. As far as I can see, none of the physical evidence against Guede is inconsistent with his story - his problem is some minir changes in detail over time, the lack of any corroborating evidence for his version, and that he attempted to establish an alibi then left the country. He admits he left her to die instead of calling an ambulance, and he got the sentence reduction in part because of his apology to the Kerchers for this (and in part because his choice of a fast-track trial is supposed to give a 1/3 reduction in sentence, so it was manifestly unfair that he got a longer sentence than either of the other two).

A witness saw Knox and Sollecito in the square above the house looking down at it for some time the night of the killing. When the postal police arrived at the house the next day because Meredith's flatmate's phone (being used by Meredith) had been found in a garden nearby, along with Meredith's UK phone, Knox and Sollecito told them they had called the police because of the break-in and were waiting for them to arrive, but the timing of Sollecito's emergency calls were 16 and 19 minutes after the postal police arrived at the house. Their alibis for the night not only can't be corroborated, they have been actively discredited by analysis of Sollecito's computer and other witness evidence. Sollecito's refusal to corroborate Knox's story about being in his apartment all night might indicate that she went back to rearrange the scene on her own.

Complex case, but it's hard to conclude that Knox and Sollecito are innocent. There's a lot less evidence against Guede, given his version of events. Also worth noting that Knox's attempt to frame Patrick Lumumba lends weight to Guede's story: he says the man with the knife shouted something about a black man being there and to run away, before he fled with a woman who wasn't in the room at the time. There aren't many black men in Perugia and Knox tried to pin the blame on one of them.

 

[ymu]

Oh yeah - under Italian law the first appeal is the equivalent of a retrial. What's been happening over the last few weeks is a retrial, looking at all the evidence in much the same way as the original trial did.

 

[Fedayn]

The body was moved some hours after the death too - the break-in was almost certainly staged at the same time as the murder scene was rearranged. The imprint of Meredith's shoulder and bra-strap were in a pool of blood by the wardrobe - but the body was found in the middle of the room under a duvet with bra removed, with no blood stains under where her bra would have been.

This is the essence of the case against Knox and Sollecito. Guede had no reason to come back and stage a break-in or make it look like a rape scene; only someone who lived in the apartment would have any reason to do that, and Knox was the only person in town with a key to the apartment that night. The clean-up removed nearly every trace of Knox and Sollecito - only one Knox fingerprint was found in the entire house (on a glass in the kitchen) and the bloody footprints had been cleaned up (except the one on the bathroom rug) - but left plenty of physical evidence against Guede.

The neighbour who heard Meredith's last scream heard multiple people running away less than a minute afterwards. The only real evidence against Guede's story is that she watched for a while afterwards and noone else left the house, suggesting that he ran at the same time as the killers, not some time later as he claimed. He also bumped into someone on some steps when he was running away, but I can't find the details of this statement to know if it ties in the timing conclusively. As far as I can see, none of the physical evidence against Guede is inconsistent with his story - his problem is some minir changes in detail over time, the lack of any corroborating evidence for his version, and that he attempted to establish an alibi then left the country. He admits he left her to die instead of calling an ambulance, and he got the sentence reduction in part because of his apology to the Kerchers for this (and in part because his choice of a fast-track trial is supposed to give a 1/3 reduction in sentence, so it was manifestly unfair that he got a longer sentence than either of the other two).

A witness saw Knox and Sollecito in the square above the house looking down at it for some time the night of the killing. When the postal police arrived at the house the next day because Meredith's flatmate's phone (being used by Meredith) had been found in a garden nearby, along with Meredith's UK phone, Knox and Sollecito told them they had called the police because of the break-in and were waiting for them to arrive, but the timing of Sollecito's emergency calls were 16 and 19 minutes after the postal police arrived at the house. Their alibis for the night not only can't be corroborated, they have been actively discredited by analysis of Sollecito's computer and other witness evidence. Sollecito's refusal to corroborate Knox's story about being in his apartment all night might indicate that she went back to rearrange the scene on her own.

Complex case, but it's hard to conclude that Knox and Sollecito are innocent. There's a lot less evidence against Guede, given his version of events. Also worth noting that Knox's attempt to frame Patrick Lumumba lends weight to Guede's story: he says the man with the knife shouted something about a black man being there and to run away, before he fled with a woman who wasn't in the room at the time. There aren't many black men in Perugia and Knox tried to pin the blame on one of them.

Reads slightly less of a fit-up than phillip tries to claim it is......Funny that....

 

[belboid]

You misunderstand also what I am getting at ...

he does tht all the time. It is quite deliberate, and a sure sign that he has no argument that can be made except by grossly distorting that of other people.

 

[Giles]

Also, a Berlusconi founded group high lighting wrongful convictions is involved. He stands to gain much by discrediting the Italian justice system.

Silvio just wants to get her off so he can have her round for a bunga bunga party to show her gratitude.

Giles..

 

[Miss Caphat]

The body was moved some hours after the death too - the break-in was almost certainly staged at the same time as the murder scene was rearranged. The imprint of Meredith's shoulder and bra-strap were in a pool of blood by the wardrobe - but the body was found in the middle of the room under a duvet with bra removed, with no blood stains under where her bra would have been.

This is the essence of the case against Knox and Sollecito. Guede had no reason to come back and stage a break-in or make it look like a rape scene; only someone who lived in the apartment would have any reason to do that, and Knox was the only person in town with a key to the apartment that night. The clean-up removed nearly every trace of Knox and Sollecito - only one Knox fingerprint was found in the entire house (on a glass in the kitchen) and the bloody footprints had been cleaned up (except the one on the bathroom rug) - but left plenty of physical evidence against Guede.

The neighbour who heard Meredith's last scream heard multiple people running away less than a minute afterwards. The only real evidence against Guede's story is that she watched for a while afterwards and noone else left the house, suggesting that he ran at the same time as the killers, not some time later as he claimed. He also bumped into someone on some steps when he was running away, but I can't find the details of this statement to know if it ties in the timing conclusively. As far as I can see, none of the physical evidence against Guede is inconsistent with his story - his problem is some minir changes in detail over time, the lack of any corroborating evidence for his version, and that he attempted to establish an alibi then left the country. He admits he left her to die instead of calling an ambulance, and he got the sentence reduction in part because of his apology to the Kerchers for this (and in part because his choice of a fast-track trial is supposed to give a 1/3 reduction in sentence, so it was manifestly unfair that he got a longer sentence than either of the other two).

A witness saw Knox and Sollecito in the square above the house looking down at it for some time the night of the killing. When the postal police arrived at the house the next day because Meredith's flatmate's phone (being used by Meredith) had been found in a garden nearby, along with Meredith's UK phone, Knox and Sollecito told them they had called the police because of the break-in and were waiting for them to arrive, but the timing of Sollecito's emergency calls were 16 and 19 minutes after the postal police arrived at the house. Their alibis for the night not only can't be corroborated, they have been actively discredited by analysis of Sollecito's computer and other witness evidence. Sollecito's refusal to corroborate Knox's story about being in his apartment all night might indicate that she went back to rearrange the scene on her own.

Complex case, but it's hard to conclude that Knox and Sollecito are innocent. There's a lot less evidence against Guede, given his version of events. Also worth noting that Knox's attempt to frame Patrick Lumumba lends weight to Guede's story: he says the man with the knife shouted something about a black man being there and to run away, before he fled with a woman who wasn't in the room at the time. There aren't many black men in Perugia and Knox tried to pin the blame on one of them.

Evidence against Guede:

There is no evidence that Guede and Knox ever even met each other before the trial
He said he met her once, and somehow recognized her voice from the bathroom (where he supposedly was during the murder)
Guede had never met Sollecito
He changed his story from "a shadowy figure" whom he wrestled with after supposedly discovering Meredith's body, to Knox and Sollecito.
In his first version of the story, the "shadowy figure" man was the physical opposite of Sollecito, short and left-handed
Guede told a friend on the phone (call was being recorded) that Knox and Sollecito had not been there at the time and that they had nothing to do with it.
After the murder he went out dancing.
This would have been the same night a woman he just had sex with was brutally murdered while he was in the en-suite bathroom.
Then he fled to Germany, taking his bloody clothes and shoes and losing them there.
Also:
The murder scene was not cleaned, otherwise Guede's dna and evidence would not have been all over it.
Knox & Sollecito supposedly bleached out all their clothes etc, but just put the murder weapon back in the drawer? Oh, and that they somehow cleaned up all their own footprints but managed to leave Guede's very noticeable bloody footprints in several locations. They knew enough about footprints somehow to know exactly which ones were his and which ones were their own. Oh, sure.

Meredith clearly struggled and fought against her attacker(s). Knox and Sollecito showed no bruises or cuts/other evidence of this. Nobody knows if Guede did because he was gone.

This case honestly reminds me of that movie "My Cousin Vinny" where the small town police are so ready to accuse their first suspects that they fail to realize just how implausible their whole story is.
They were clearly biased, not to mention totally incompetent in the way they collected and stored evidence. Oh dear, the dna on the knife is not dna, it's a bit of bread crust Oops, we thought the fridge at the murder scene was a good place to store evidence along with all kinds of food belonging to the housemates
What a farce.
Irt making it look like a break-in...the truth is most likely it actually was a break-in.
Rudy had a long history of breaking windows in order to get in places and steal stuff.

 

[Dhimmi]

Good job Italy does not have the death penalty.

Yes... shame it wasn't true for Mussolini I guess.

 

[ymu]

Evidence against Guede:

There is no evidence that Guede and Knox ever even met each other before the trial
He said he met her once, and somehow recognized her voice from the bathroom (where he supposedly was during the murder)
Guede had never met Sollecito
He changed his story from "a shadowy figure" whom he wrestled with after supposedly discovering Meredith's body, to Knox and Sollecito.
In his first version of the story, the "shadowy figure" man was the physical opposite of Sollecito, short and left-handed
Guede told a friend on the phone (call was being recorded) that Knox and Sollecito had not been there at the time and that they had nothing to do with it.
After the murder he went out dancing.
Then he fled to Germany, taking his bloody clothes and shoes and losing them there.
Also:
The murder scene was not cleaned, otherwise Guede's dna and evidence would not have been all over it.
Knox & Sollecito supposedly bleached out all their clothes etc, but just put the murder weapon back in the drawer? Oh, and that they somehow cleaned up all their own footprints but managed to leave Guede's very noticeable bloody footprints in several locations. They knew enough about footprints somehow to know exactly which ones were his and which ones were their own. Oh, sure.

Meredith clearly struggled and fought against her attacker(s). Knox and Sol. showed no bruises or cuts/other evidence of this. Nobody knows if Guede did because he was gone.

This case honestly reminds me of that movie "My Cousin Vinny" where the small town police are so ready to accuse their first suspects that they fail to realize just how implausible their whole story is.
They were clearly biased, not to mention totally incompetent in the way they collected and stored evidence. Oh dear, the dna on the knife is not dna, it's a bit of bread crust Oops, we thought the fridge at the murder scene was a good place to store evidence along with all kinds of food belonging to the housemates
What a farce.
Irt making it look like a break-in...the truth is most likely it actually was a break-in. Guede has been found guilty of stealing Meredith's phones, credit cards, and cash.

The Knox and Sollecito footprints were bare footprints - the Guede ones were his Nike trainers. Quite easy to spot that difference.

It is fair to say that there's very little evidence against Knox and Sollecito that is conclusive on its own - Knox claims to have had a shower in the bathroom where there were drops of blood on the floor the morning after the murder which would easily explain her bloody footprints (found in her room and the room where the break-in was but not the murder room); the match to Sollecito's foot is compelling but not conclusive, and there is some confusion over the timing of the phonecalls to the police (via-a-vis whether they were made before or after the postal police turned up).

It's also fair to say that Guede had the opportunity to read about the evidence in the case before making up his story - but there's is some evidence that backs up his story: the fact that he hadn't flushed the toilet, and the towels found with the body. He says his hands were cut when the intruder turned on him and he had healed wounds on his hands when they picked him up in Germany.There's no particular reason to expect wounds on the killer(s) - Meredith had no DNA under her fingernails, indicating that she had no opportunity to fight back, probably because there was more than one assailant.

It's entirely possible that he didn't actually recognise them at the scene and decided to point the finger at Knox and Sollecito some time later, but that doesn't mean it wasn't them. Their alibi does not stack up, and even if there was a genuine break-in, someone decided to rearrange the murder scene some hours later (something Guede couldn't have done given witness sightings of him afterwards).

 

[Deareg]

Yes... shame it wasn't true for Mussolini I guess.

You have lost me.

 

[Miss Caphat]

The Knox and Sollecito footprints were bare footprints - the Guede ones were his Nike trainers. Quite easy to spot that difference.

It is fair to say that there's very little evidence against Knox and Sollecito that is conclusive on its own - Knox claims to have had a shower in the bathroom where there were drops of blood on the floor the morning after the murder which would easily explain her bloody footprints (found in her room and the room where the break-in was but not the murder room); the match to Sollecito's foot is compelling but not conclusive, and there is some confusion over the timing of the phonecalls to the police (via-a-vis whether they were made before or after the postal police turned up).

It's also fair to say that Guede had the opportunity to read about the evidence in the case before making up his story - but there's is some evidence that backs up his story: the fact that he hadn't flushed the toilet, and the towels found with the body. He says his hands were cut when the intruder turned on him and he had healed wounds on his hands when they picked him up in Germany.There's no particular reason to expect wounds on the killer(s) - Meredith had no DNA under her fingernails, indicating that she had no opportunity to fight back, probably because there was more than one assailant.

It's entirely possible that he didn't actually recognise them at the scene and decided to point the finger at Knox and Sollecito some time later, but that doesn't mean it wasn't them. Their alibi does not stack up, and even if there was a genuine break-in, someone decided to rearrange the murder scene some hours later (something Guede couldn't have done given witness sightings of him afterwards).

The Knox and Sollecito footprints don't exist. They were never proven to be anything other than regular old footprints from another time. The bloody bath mat footprint can't be used as evidence because it could fit either man. It's a blob of blood in a vaguely footish shape.

It is weird that Knox took a shower. Part of me wonders if she did see/hear something, and in her 20 yr old, freaked out mind just decided to pretend nothing had happened. So that's why she did things like take a shower. Also, she did explain that she thought it was her roommate's menstrual blood in the bathroom.

I would say there would be reason to expect wounds on the attackers. The knife wound to the throat was not initially fatal, meaning that it was a slow bleeding wound. The attacker eventually stabbed her 40 something more times before she lost enough blood to die. So yeah, I would say there was a struggle.

as for the last part, I don't find anything that says the murder scene was re-arranged, other than that her body was moved and the duvet was placed over it. The person could have been trying to get rid of the body but decided it was too difficult.

 

[Anudder Oik]

On 2 points brought up by Miss Caphat

Knox & Sollecito supposedly bleached out all their clothes etc, but just put the murder weapon back in the drawer?

In a Drawer in Sollectito's house not the same house as the murder and it had been cleaned with bleach. As I have pointed out before, he also wrote a letter to family where he says that the victim's blood came to be on that particular knife because he accidentally pricked her hand with it when she came to dinner at his house. An absolute lie...In the 8 days he dated knox the victim's movements are accounted for. She never went there. What he is in effect doing is confirming the blood on the knife as the victims. He is also a knife collector, perhaps loathe to chuck away a good one.

we thought the fridge at the murder scene was a good place to store evidence along with all kinds of food belonging to the housemates

Do you seriously think they would not be sealed in air tight bags?

Also, footprints in blood can only be made while the blood is still in liquid form.

 

[Dhimmi]

You have lost me.

Sorry... bewailing the death penalty or the lack of it is a mute if fashionable point given how we've found it agreeable in the past. Mussolini being the immediate Italian example, if lacking in legal finesse. If you could offer a poll on here where the very life of say, Belusoni were in the balance we'd almost unqiuely click on the immediate death (painless) button.

I do wonder if the more recent move to no death penalty (the fifty-ish years in the UK is historically v.short) isn't driven from on high so that should on one sunny day the likes of Blair, Belusconi, et al actually be brought to book for their dealings they know they won't face it.

 

[Miss Caphat]

On 2 points brought up by Miss Caphat

In a Drawer in Sollectito's house not the same house as the murder and it had been cleaned with bleach. As I have pointed out before, he also wrote a letter to family where he says that the victim's blood came to be on that particular knife because he accidentally pricked her hand with it when she came to dinner at his house. An absolute lie...In the 8 days he dated knox the victim's movements are accounted for. She never went there. What he is in effect doing is confirming the blood on the knife as the victims. He is also a knife collector, perhaps loathe to chuck away a good one.

Do you seriously think they would not be sealed in air tight bags?

Also, footprints in blood can only be made while the blood is still in liquid form.

re: the knife:
a) Investigators literally picked the first knife they saw.
b) what they initially thought was meredith's dna, and what made that knife one of the most important pieces of evidence in the case, was literally a PIECE OF BREAD. This is how incompetent the investigators are.
c) this evidence of stuff being "bleached" is and always has been bogus. ooh, a random knife came in contact with bleach! Now wai!

re: the stuff in the fridge. I wouldn't put it past them. Why would you store stuff at a site other than properly locked up on police/gov't property?

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

fuck me, is this the miss marples convention?!

 

[Lock&Light]

I do wonder if the more recent move to no death penalty (the fifty-ish years in the UK is historically v.short) isn't driven from on high so that should on one sunny day the likes of Blair, Belusconi, et al actually be brought to book for their dealings they know they won't face it.

I'm afraid that I have to tell you that I think that is a load of cobblers. To put it mildly.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

I'm afraid that I have to tell you that I think that is a load of cobblers. To put it mildly.

yes indeed, i would tend to agree with you (a rather worrying development perhaps, but an honest one essentiallly)

 

[Deareg]

Sorry... bewailing the death penalty or the lack of it is a mute if fashionable point given how we've found it agreeable in the past. Mussolini being the immediate Italian example, if lacking in legal finesse. If you could offer a poll on here where the very life of say, Belusoni were in the balance we'd almost unqiuely click on the immediate death (painless) button.

I do wonder if the more recent move to no death penalty (the fifty-ish years in the UK is historically v.short) isn't driven from on high so that should on one sunny day the likes of Blair, Belusconi, et al actually be brought to book for their dealings they know they won't face it.

Mussolini was killed during a time of war, that is not the same as putting someone on trial and then coldly putting them to death, never mind the numerous miscarriages of justice that would have/have put innocent people to death.

 

[ymu]

The Knox and Sollecito footprints don't exist. They were never proven to be anything other than regular old footprints from another time. The bloody bath mat footprint can't be used as evidence because it could fit either man. It's a blob of blood in a vaguely footish shape.

It is weird that Knox took a shower. Part of me wonders if she did see/hear something, and in her 20 yr old, freaked out mind just decided to pretend nothing had happened. So that's why she did things like take a shower. Also, she did explain that she thought it was her roommate's menstrual blood in the bathroom.

I would say there would be reason to expect wounds on the attackers. The knife wound to the throat was not initially fatal, meaning that it was a slow bleeding wound. The attacker eventually stabbed her 40 something more times before she lost enough blood to die. So yeah, I would say there was a struggle.

as for the last part, I don't find anything that says the murder scene was re-arranged, other than that her body was moved and the duvet was placed over it. The person could have been trying to get rid of the body but decided it was too difficult.

Stabbed 40 times? Where on earth did that come from?

 

[Miss Caphat]

Stabbed 40 times? Where on earth did that come from?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Knoxys-lawyers-claim-shred-evidence-her.html

 

[Anudder Oik]

re: the knife:
a) Investigators literally picked the first knife they saw.
b) what they initially thought was meredith's dna, and what made that knife one of the most important pieces of evidence in the case, was literally a PIECE OF BREAD. This is how incompetent the investigators are.
c) this evidence of stuff being "bleached" is and always has been bogus. ooh, a random knife came in contact with bleach! Now wai!

re: the stuff in the fridge. I wouldn't put it past them. Why would you store stuff at a site other than properly locked up on police/gov't property?

As for them picking the first knife they saw it could have been because its characteristics fitted with the wounds inflicted and so they knew what size weapon they were looking for.

Now the bread thing you mention sounds mental and is completely new to me. Where is this source? Can you link to where you get your information?

 

[ymu]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Knoxys-lawyers-claim-shred-evidence-her.html

That refers to 47 wounds, not 47 stab wounds. There were two major knife wounds, one on either side of the neck, several superficial knife wounds to the neck, one hand and fingertip, the rest was blunt trauma (bruising) mostly around the head, with very little evidence of any injury (including bruising) on chest, abdomen or lower limbs.

The Knox/Sollecito sentencing report is translated into English here - PM findings start on page 110.

As for them picking the first knife they saw it could have been because its characteristics fitted with the wounds inflicted and so they knew what size weapon they were looking for.

Now the bread thing you mention sounds mental and is completely new to me. Where is this source? Can you link to where you get your information?

IIRC the reports state that they took that knife because it looked cleaner than the others.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

...
It is weird that Knox took a shower.

Especially that she originally (3x) claimed she wasn't even there.

 

[Dhimmi]

Mussolini was killed during a time of war, that is not the same as putting someone on trial and then coldly putting them to death, never mind the numerous miscarriages of justice that would have/have put innocent people to death.

Yes by his own people, although the latter lacks the more personal touch, the end result is the same. Matters not if by furious mob or cold judge. Miscarriages of justice is an ethereal ideal based on a mythical sense of justice, a justice which does not exist outside of a few neat tales involving King Solomon.

Of all of the injustices in the world the trials around a pile of priveleged white folk is not the top of my list though.

 

[ymu]

Evidence against Guede:

There is no evidence that Guede and Knox ever even met each other before the trial

Just saw this. Amanda did know him, as did Meredith - he was friends with the lads who lived downstairs, one of whom Meredith was going out with.

Amanda: Yes, I know, I know, I mean I hardly know him ... I never invited him to
my house before.‛
Father: Do you believe that Meredith did so?‛
Amanda: Ah, I know that she knows him through Giacomo ... therefore‛
Father: Is he one of the boys downstairs?‛
Amanda: Yes, he was her boyfriend ... therefore ... perhaps he was saying: I’m
looking for Giacomo ... can I come in? Or something like that...‛
Further on Amanda goes on, saying: That is, I know that she had seen him before,
but I don’t know why she let him into the house.‛

P56 of the translated sentencing report.

 

[Miss Caphat]

As for them picking the first knife they saw it could have been because its characteristics fitted with the wounds inflicted and so they knew what size weapon they were looking for.

Now the bread thing you mention sounds mental and is completely new to me. Where is this source? Can you link to where you get your information?

a. but the knife did not match the wounds. they discovered that a long time ago

b. the bread thing is a new discovery made in the past few days (iirc), and the thing that finally made me think there really is no evidence that Knox and Sollecito were involved. It had always been described as a very microscopic bit of something on the blade. It was never suspected to be blood. The next thing was that it was actually a starch, and then ultimately identified as bread 'DNA'
here's one link, but I'm sure you can find several more
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/01/earlyshow/saturday/main20114277.shtml

 

[Miss Caphat]

Especially that she originally (3x) claimed she wasn't even there.

this was the next morning. I don't remember hearing that she claimed to not have been there in the morning. she called the police from there and was the one who discovered the open door and the fact that Meredith seemed to be missing.

 

[Miss Caphat]

Just saw this. Amanda did know him, as did Meredith - he was friends with the lads who lived downstairs, one of whom Meredith was going out with.

P56 of the translated sentencing report.

ah, well that makes a huge difference. (sarcasm) so she saw him one time when he came to the house looking for someone else.

To clarify my stance here, I was never on either side until I did a some research. I think that ideally, there should have been an investigation into whether or not Knox and Sollecito played some part in the events of that night. Because that seems like a possibility. Like I said earlier, maybe Amanda discovered the body and panicked, thinking she might be implicated somehow. But IMO they certainly should never have been tried for murder. The Italian head of the investigation has himself admitted that there was no evidence that Knox was in the room where the murder took place. According to what I can see, there's no evidence that Sollecito was there either.
His DNA was supposedly on the bra clasp (the one that was left there for weeks and tossed around before anyone decided to test it)
First of all, why would DNA be only on the clasp? This means, specifically, the little metal hook thing, not the material of the bra itself. They found DNA of 3 or more people on that tiny clasp, but never bothered to figure out who it belonged to. Furthermore, the DNA was most likely corrupted due to being left for weeks, stored improperly, and handled improperly (video showed investigators testing different items without changing their gloves).
These have been the 2 pieces of physical evidence which prosecutors claimed proved K&S's involvement in the murder. And they have both been proven to be baseless claims.