Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[frogwoman]

"zetetic astronomy" made more sense

 

[cesare]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/28/post-woolwich-assault-racism-not-just-edl

Workerism? Hermeneutics? Techniques of racialisation? Ideational content?

Really?

I couldn't even get past para 3. Reads like something you'd expect if you accidentallied got chugged by a SWPer selling papers.

 

[Bakunin]

The Morning Star is looking for a subeditor! lauriepenny could do this, AND bang out a shit opinion piece for the NS once a week on the train. Boom. No more whining about being enmeshed in a world of povs. You're welcome.

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/446#morstar1

It'd be funny seeing her having to look subeditors in the eye, seeing as they seem collectively devoted to ruining so, so many of her scribblings...

 

[JimW]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/28/post-woolwich-assault-racism-not-just-edl

Workerism? Hermeneutics? Techniques of racialisation? Ideational content?

Really?

He seems to be arguing, in his call for a multi-pronged approach, that we stick a pitchfork in some racists, which I think I could get behind.

 

[J Ed]

I couldn't even get past para 3. Reads like something you'd expect if you accidentallied got chugged by a SWPer selling papers.

Some academics seem to end up imitating the writing style of people who they spend their time reading which imo is hilarious. It's a bit like little kids from the south visiting their grandparents in Scotland for a few weeks and coming back home with a Scottish accent..

 

[JimW]

Whist and awa', now.

 

[cesare]

Some academics seem to end up imitating the writing style of people who they spend their time reading which imo is hilarious. It's a bit like little kids from the south visiting their grandparents in Scotland for a few weeks and coming back home with a Scottish accent..

And replacing lots of words with Gaelic.

 

[JimW]

And replacing lots of words with Gaelic.

We used to go on holiday to Ullapool and I bought a book on Teach Yourself Gaelic. I think I can still say, "I'd like a whisky", "The dog is on the moor" and "It's raining", which TBF covers 99% of situations in the Highlands.

 

[J Ed]

Mensch's attack on privilege theory made the Graunid http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/30/reality-based-feminism-louise-mensch

 

[Steel Icarus]

I don't think I've ever read an article where I've disagreed so vehemently with most of it while agreeing so much with another bit of it. It's almost like Mensch is utterly confused.

 

[The Pale King]

Mensch's attack on privilege theory made the Graunid http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/30/reality-based-feminism-louise-mensch

And now Dan Hodges wants a go...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100219309/the-latest-lefty-mantra-check-your-privilege/

 

[The39thStep]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/28/post-woolwich-assault-racism-not-just-edl

Workerism? Hermeneutics? Techniques of racialisation? Ideational content?

Really?

'comment is free' except if you actually want to comment on that article

 

[Steel Icarus]

Idiots like Hodges and Mensch are doing a fine job of discrediting anyone who has issues with privilege checking & intersectionality.

 

[coley]

I don't think I've ever read an article where I've disagreed so vehemently with most of it while agreeing so much with another bit of it. It's almost like Mensch is utterly confused.

Which bits do you agree/disagree with?

 

[J Ed]

Idiots like Hodges and Mensch are doing a fine job of discrediting anyone who has issues with privilege checking & intersectionality.

This was my first thought, ffs

 

[andysays]

Oh god - lauriepenny is on 10 O Clock News tonight - debating with Christine Hamilton. The kind of TV that makes you want to poke your own eyeballs out

I saw this in the early hours on 4/7. It was a bit meh, with the only decent point being made by Christine Hamilton (bloody hell) that it was fairly much ok for middle class women now, and if anything needed to be done by feminists it was best to concentrate on women whose lives were generally harder. It wasn't really a proper discussion and all three ended up looking a bit divorced from reality.

Well, yeah Throw David Mitchell's piss-taking posh attempts to control the conversation into the mix, and it was more of a point and laugh session than anything else Which was probably the intention.

Sounds like the opening line of a joke:

Laurie Penny, Christine Hamilton and David Mitchell walk into a TV studio...​

Write your own punchline

 

[cesare]

Sounds like the opening line of a joke:

Laurie Penny, Christine Hamilton and David Mitchell walk into a TV studio...​

Write your own punchline

Angela Epstein was one of the three women btw

 

[ddraig]

the only funny bit about that was when Mitchell said the all women panel will discuss and then i'll decide, just like society

 

[andysays]

Angela Epstein was one of the three women btw

Who's Angela Epstein? (I know about google, but...)

 

[cesare]

Who's Angela Epstein? (I know about google, but...)

She's another journo/commentariat. Her take on being a woman (and by extension, stance on feminism) is an updated version of those 50s adverts about how to keep a man happy.

 

[TruXta]

Saw a couple minutes of that. Hugely cringeworthy.

 

[andysays]

She's another journo/commentariat. Her take on being a woman (and by extension, stance on feminism) is an updated version of those 50s adverts about how to keep a man happy.

I'm probably not regretting that I missed that then. Did Laurie have anything of interest to say, or did they just swap tea-making tips?

 

[The39thStep]

Which bits do you agree/disagree with?

This for one :

I want to talk about the way that most of the modern feminist movement, at least online, appears to be wasting most of its time in frenzied internal debate about absolutely nothing, and in the process, solving absolutely nothing. It has come to be alien to the vast majority of women, who do not self-identify as feminists, and yet who, if asked, would support feminist goals.

 

[The39thStep]

This article in the Independent caught my eye as well:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ws-on-suffrage-street-interviews-8631771.html

 

[cesare]

I'm probably not regretting that I missed that then.Did Laurie have anything of interest to say, or did they just swap tea-making tips?

Well, AE was doing "feminism is dead and feminists don't do themselves any favours, and this is what men want" on stage left. CH was centre stage doing "why I didn't go into politics, me me me, politics is not an arena women feel happy in, every woman should vote cos of suffragettes, but yeah feminism should be directed where it's needed at the working class that I heard of once". LP was stage right doing "OMG I can't believe you said that, no let me finish, CAPITALIST PATRIARCHY, and feminism is more important to every women in the world EVER" with accompanying stutters and speaking with hands. David Mitchell using it as opportunity for pisstake. All that was lacking was for Greer to enter stage right and take all 4 out with a 12bore before turning it on herself.

 

[andysays]

Well, AE was doing "feminism is dead and feminists don't do themselves any favours, and this is what men want" on stage left. CH was centre stage doing "why I didn't go into politics, me me me, politics is not an arena women feel happy in, every woman should vote cos of suffragettes, but yeah feminism should be directed where it's needed at the working class that I heard of once". LP was stage right doing "OMG I can't believe you said that, no let me finish, CAPITALIST PATRIARCHY, and feminism is more important to every women in the world EVER" with accompanying stutters and speaking with hands. David Mitchell using it as opportunity for pisstake. All that was lacking was for Greer to enter stage right and take all 4 out with a 12bore before turning it on herself.

Reading your description I'm glad I don't have a TV.

Far more rewarding discussions to be had here

 

[treelover]

Shouldn't say this but Christine Hamilton says some decent stuff when she is on the Wright Stuff, on benefits she even challenges the increasingly RW Matthew Wright, she has put her name to a number of petitions, etc against disability benefit cuts.

 

[cesare]

Reading your description I'm glad I don't have a TV.

Far more rewarding discussions to be had here

Well, it's meant to be a satirical view of events so the satire involves those taking part too, I guess. Massive home goal if you were doing anything other than getting airtime and advertising yourself.

 

[muscovyduck]

Laurie Penny, universally known as the voice of the youth, was shocked to find a 700 page discussion thread dedicated to destroying her inspirational career. The young, 27 year old woman called her freezing flatmate away from the warm fire of newspapers, begged for by the residents of the hovel from the greedy, upper-class, voluntary newspaper salesmen. "That," she whispered "Is why we need to lead the working-class into a revolution. We shall condemn those who have no choice but to resort to violence, through the medium of interpretive dance. We shall draw our struggles, turn them into art, and sell them in ebook format. We shall charge $5000 to speak about the movement." Her voice gained strength. "We will alienate all those who disagree! We will accept awards from the monsters who have caused this!" She stood up, red marker-pen held high, surrounded by flames. "FOR WE WORK FOR A LIVING!" The proletariat on the street gave a standing ovation for her speech, and concentrated this new found energy into counter-acting the psychological kettle capitalism had trapped them in. Dawn was approaching; Laurie could see the morning star above her, and pulled it off the shelf to place on the fire.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I couldn't even get past para 3. Reads like something you'd expect if you accidentallied got chugged by a SWPer selling papers.

Or one of articul8's posts.