ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The French didn't feature many ginges in their films in the '60s, preferring the blondes and brunettes.
Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags
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The French didn't feature many ginges in their films in the '60s, preferring the blondes and brunettes.
discokermit
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it was black and white. you cunt. stop trying to spoil my joke.
Steel Icarus
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I'm fighting the urge to look at her directly in case I go all stupid and giddy and that. MUST. NOT. LIKE. ENEMY.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
This is him after a discussion of new leftist material from Zer0 books (which also published Laurie Penny's Meat Market, £9.99, £6.99 68 pages in total 60 pages of writing culled from old columns plus made up interviews).
If anyone cares the book they are discussing is 'Levitate the Primate: Handjobs, Internet Dating, and Other Issues for Men' an analysis of problems facing men in the USA, by Michael Thomsen. Thomsen's own blog is here
which gives us explanations such as:
"In his recently published memoir, Christopher Hitchens wrote something that encapsulated all of the guilt I feel about my confessional writing. “For those I have loved, or who have been so lenient and gracious as to have loved me, I have not words enough here, and I remember with gratitude how they have made me speechless in return.” When I write, I have a recurring fear of betraying the loyalties of the people I write about. This is bearably nerve-wracking when profiling people or characterizing someone’s work or public opinions—a kind of writing I find painfully boring. The more fruitful and honest confessing of a subjective experience can’t be done with speechlessness on the subjects that matter most. There are subjects I care about, but only because of the people connected to them. To be fully honest about one’s conviction to a subject requires a confession of one’s love for the people behind that given subject. Giving this account honestly often feels like the kind of treachery that’s only possible between people who care for each other the most."
If anyone cares the book they are discussing is 'Levitate the Primate: Handjobs, Internet Dating, and Other Issues for Men' an analysis of problems facing men in the USA, by Michael Thomsen. Thomsen's own blog is here
which gives us explanations such as:
"In his recently published memoir, Christopher Hitchens wrote something that encapsulated all of the guilt I feel about my confessional writing. “For those I have loved, or who have been so lenient and gracious as to have loved me, I have not words enough here, and I remember with gratitude how they have made me speechless in return.” When I write, I have a recurring fear of betraying the loyalties of the people I write about. This is bearably nerve-wracking when profiling people or characterizing someone’s work or public opinions—a kind of writing I find painfully boring. The more fruitful and honest confessing of a subjective experience can’t be done with speechlessness on the subjects that matter most. There are subjects I care about, but only because of the people connected to them. To be fully honest about one’s conviction to a subject requires a confession of one’s love for the people behind that given subject. Giving this account honestly often feels like the kind of treachery that’s only possible between people who care for each other the most."
discokermit
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
My, how overwhelmingly caucasian and well-fed this brave new anti-racist world of Laura and her self-facilitating media node chums looks!
The whitest girl in a very white school
discokermit
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that's his "living the fucking dream" face. cunt.
SpineyNorman
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The man must die. Now.
discokermit
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greenvelvetslapheadblazerzebrachairdesertbootposhrug cunts.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
OK, look away now, the last one here with Malcolm in red shirt:
I count at least eight people all wearing exactly the same self-satisfied expression
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Another great party at Lenny's
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
At the risk of patronising everyone here - Class not race! or whatever the slogan is.
There a few African-Americans in the crowd:
That's from the Mao event, but the waistcoat of the woman looks expensive - might not be the whole story.
What's certain is that the place they held the examination of Mao especially the Long March and the Base Areas in the 1930s is a small upmarket hotel called The Jane in Manhattan, some of the staff are photographed here - can't be sure again but looks like quite a mix of cultures:
discokermit
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lets face it, we all wish we went to parties like that. even though i know that in reality i would make a dick of myself by saying "am" instead of "are" and run out of the room in tears.
they've got some nice clothes as well.
they've got some nice clothes as well.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
They're not parties - they're political meetings - it's like a meeting at Firebox taken just a little further down the line. If your base is middle-class academia/culture vultures why not locate somewhere appropriate close to those locations and that hotel is apparently very close to poetry slam events and off-Broadway threatres etc.
Hear him speak, he's at around 14'.
Trevor Hoyle had a hand in writing it. He's mint, him. Vail is a far better peice of prophetic fiction than 1984 could ever hope to be.
www.trevorhoyle.com
discokermit
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what? shoes off? looks like a party to me. to be shoeless in a political meeting you'd have to be a massively narcissistic....... oh........
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I was going to write "the best that can happen from this thread is that LP reads some criticisms of her, evaluates her position, and realises that the working class can be educated too. The worst is that she turns against said people and becomes more openly entrenched in her milieu"
Then I thought that the "best" and "worst" are not that far apart.
Then some people decided they own the thread, and decided that now that LP has arrived, they have to police the contributions. They didn't think that before; no-one was told to leave the thread before LP turned up. Anyone could post anything.
Perhaps the most telling thing about this thread is how serious it has become to some posters since the person they ridicule turned up.
Then I thought that the "best" and "worst" are not that far apart.
Then some people decided they own the thread, and decided that now that LP has arrived, they have to police the contributions. They didn't think that before; no-one was told to leave the thread before LP turned up. Anyone could post anything.
Perhaps the most telling thing about this thread is how serious it has become to some posters since the person they ridicule turned up.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
If you think this thread has become serious then I think you need to reread it - do you really think we're seriously calling each other misogynists, or are we joking?
The only thing we are taking seriously is that LP called two committed anti-fascist anti-racist people, racists, and she WAS serious when she said it, in a public way (twitter) to over 13,000 people. The thread is still waiting for an apology on that one, especially given the ramifications to the ongoing activism of these people.
Political discussion is just that - discussion. It's not flouncing and screaming 'racist' or 'misogynist' just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion.
OK, so who is saying "stupid shit" (I see that in some cases, but even so) and why have one (it's actually close to one person, but might be two) or two people decided to police the thread now that Laurie Penny has arrived? Why has their "stupid shit" not been asked to stop before?
It only serves to appear that they think she matters. I think to some posters, her arriving on the thread really matters.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Don't agree. I've followed the thread from the start. So I agree on 'serious'. It's only since LP arrived that people have been told to get off the thread, and the tone has been one of 'we know what we're talking about; leave us to it' from some.
Why are people who have contributed throughout the thread being told to get off it once LP arrived? That's a fine political reaction to bullshit, but it basically didn't exist (beyond a few isolated examples) until LP arrived and a few posters decided that they should have freedom of the thread because no-one else was capable of challenging LP.
The most upsetting thing is that in the main, they were really really shit at it as well.
She's trying for a thousand yard stare here isn't she? She is isn't she? Nobody knows the trouble she's seen. Really.
When I first came to this thread I felt a bit sorry for Penstance - I knew nothing of this privelege network & I just thought poor kid's growing up in public. Eye opener this thread's been.
cesare
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I'm not familiar with Vail, cheers for the heads up. Here's Hoyle's episode, Ultraworld:
Vail's mint. Honest to god. And have a look at Rule Of Night as well if you can be arsed - A proper book tht just sums up Rochdale in the 70's.
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