Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
We're all arguing from positions of ignorance as none of us is omniscient. But it'd be a stretch to say you're arguing at all.
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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bimble
floofy
do you think you're saying something meaningful here?
the whole last 7 years have been exactly like that, hard brexit, brexiteers running the country, what is your point you weirdo
philosophical
Well-Known Member
But you can remove the EU as an institution. Those in charge can vote to disband it, and we the people vote in those in charge.
Barbary
New Member
After six years of trying to get the remainers to offer any joined-up thinking, it's basically a waste of time. It's fun watching them try.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Again, that's not correct, UK voters on the island of Ireland voted 56:44 in favour of remaining within the supra state. In a representative democracy everyone who chooses to engage with the democratic process has the right to determine policy; that's not something that can be won or lost following the plebiscite.
Barbary
New Member
I don't work on the basis of making things meaningful to remainers.
Barbary
New Member
Yes, I get it, that the vote in NI was to remain. I've already made the point that, it wasn't what won the UK vote. They are part of the UK.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You don't work on the basis of making things meaningful to anyone
Barbary
New Member
We did, we voted out. That was how we changed the EU, we left.
The 6 counties are Irish and voted to remain. Despite the brutal machinations of British rule. They would rather the lesser evil, the EU.
You will not deny us our identity, filthy lapdog of imperialism.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
We'd like to get new trolls but as you can see the quality's not available
teqniq
DisMembered
Just a pointless chest-thumping, dick-waving, point-scoring slobber-fest that we're actually out even though after all this time it's still not a done deal because of NI and some of the vermin admit now that it has been a disaster
Barbary
New Member
I appreciate it, that you have difficulty.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
These brexit shortages are getting out of hand, now
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Is what you call ‘Brexit’ what was actually voted for?
The vote was for, as you seem to emphasise, the whole of the UK to leave the whole of the EU (check the ballot paper). Yet Northern Ireland is treated differently.
So can you define the word ‘Brexit’ that you repeatedly use because whatever your definition it isn’t what was voted for.
You bang on about democracy, but as things stand democracy hasn’t been enacted.
At least there is proper democracy in the EU compared to the UK
Barbary
New Member
philosophical
Well-Known Member
We didn’t leave as Northern Ireland is treated differently.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
No, but the expressed will of the electorate on the island of Ireland is relevant to discussions about the DUP/ERG's desire for the logical impossibility of treating the province in the same way that GB is. They do not represent the majority view judged either by the outcome of the plebiscite or their own devolved electoral process.
It will be a far sight better than your evil reign, John Barbarian BulldogI look forward to the day when Ireland is unified, under the rule of the EU.
Barbary
New Member
Is what you call ‘Brexit’ what was actually voted for?
The vote was for, as you seem to emphasise, the whole of the UK to leave the whole of the EU (check the ballot paper). Yet Northern Ireland is treated differently.
So can you define the word ‘Brexit’ that you repeatedly use because whatever your definition it isn’t what was voted for.
You bang on about democracy, but as things stand democracy hasn’t been enacted.
At least there is proper democracy in the EU compared to the UK
Yes, NI is treated differently. I wouldn't have chosen to place the border in the sea. In that sense, the agreement is harmful. And, it doesn't help the GFA. The EU should not hold any power in NI.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
We didn’t leave on equal terms as the UK, as Northern Ireland is treated differently.
Barbary
New Member
The Republic of Ireland may be part of the land mass of Ireland, but in NI, the UK is the governing body. I do not see any place in NI for the EU. Full stop.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
The "power" held by the EU in NI was negotiated and agreed by the sovereign UK state.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
At last.
You seem to acknowledge that leave has not happened.
So what is your definition of this ‘Brexit’ word you keep using?
Barbary
New Member
I wasn't in charge of the negotiation process. I've already stated what I'd do with the EU there.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
This is not about you.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Not the case. At least not the case outside of the remain mindset anyway.
There is, of course, the existence of a large alt-right/neo-liberal/southern affluent pro-Brexit bloc. But there is also - and in the vote a decisive one - a working class, pro-change, anti establishment bloc. This latter bloc, where LeFT sought influence, voted Brexit as a response to the world that they saw around them: deindustrialization, falling wages and rising inequality and a papabile sense that they were being economically and culturally expelled from post modern Britain and were without any political representation.
As such, planet remain - with its starting point being a militant defence of the status quo - has more common ground with the pro Brexit neo-liberals whose starting point was also a militant defence of the economic status quo than does the working class pro-leave constituency.
Barbary
New Member
No. But they have screwed up over NI. Brexit was the process that has finished. If we haven't left, remainers are making a song and dance over nothing.
There's no "may" about it. For better or for worse, the EU has more right to aid us against the treacherous tendrils of Westminster.
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