A thank you to Brexiteers.
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tendril
Coming up blastin' like Yosemite Sam
Not until I reach the other sideI've a feeling that might not happen
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's rather more than that, 148,125 with c19 on the death cert
tendril
Coming up blastin' like Yosemite Sam
I was being conservative.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Of course, silly me, for a moment I forgot the rules: any positive outcome would have happened anyway, any negative thing is Brexit's fault.
Will try harder next time.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Read it properly. The headline's a pretty hefty hint.
The 76% is against contracting the virus at all. The 100% is against hospitalisation/death.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Indeed.
Vaccine approval isn’t quicker because of Brexit - Full Fact
The MHRA could have given the Pfizer vaccine the same emergency approval when the UK was in the EU.fullfact.org
Why the EU’s vaccine disaster doesn’t prove Brexit was right
The UK’s vaccine success does not compensate for its catastrophic handling of the pandemic or the cost of leaving the EU.www.newstatesman.com
UK vaccine approval: Did Brexit speed up the process?
There have been claims that Brexit allowed the UK to approve a vaccine quicker than the EU, but is that correct?www.bbc.co.uk
Jesus, not those links again, the last time you posted them, you had plenty of replies pointing out that much of what they claim was cobblers, yet you ignored those reasoned replies, and now you inject those same links again.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Jesus, not those links again, the last time you posted them, you had plenty of replies pointing out that much of what they claim was cobblers, yet you ignored those reasoned replies, and now you inject those links again.
It's desperate stuff.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
It's always tempting to think that, especially with a Tory government. However, it's not true both the UK and USA went in very quickly with contracts for vaccines. Unfortunately, the EU didn't. Don't get me wrong I'm against the first come first served principle, I reject totally the idea of a patent for the private sector on vaccine production and think that a purely private sector driven vaccine production is inefficient, promises a lot but under delivers. However in the world that we live in the UK government despite being Tories got it right. for the UK. Buy early, buy big and get it distributed asap.
prunus
Tick tock.
Thanks; not quite what I’d hoped unfortunately; the clinical trials all involved 2 dosing, so although there were no serious illnesses t+22 days, there wasn’t much of a window to examine single dose protection before the 2nd doses were given.
The AZ jab was originally intended to be a single dose (like the J&J) so it would be interesting if they’d found it would have/does in fact work like that. The eventual 2 dose regime was settled on as a bit of belt and braces because they weren’t seeing strong ‘enough’ immune responses in all participants (I think - memory is fuzzy); NB measured immune response is not the same as protection level.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Is there a remix of Politically Unmoored or Tin Foil Army yet ?
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
It's improved from the earlier UK study then:
Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine: New Study Results, Variant Coverage Update, Where Do We Stand? - Infectious Disease Advisor
The Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, ChAdOx1, is promising, effective against variant B.1.1.7, but minimally protective against variant B.1.351.
www.infectiousdiseaseadvisor.com
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Yes, you're right. Unknown long term regarding the 2nd dose but it still makes perfect sense to get as many first doses done as quickly as possible. The comments on The Lancet piece also point out some of the vagaries of the trials.
tendril
Coming up blastin' like Yosemite Sam
They will still get no credit from me. Just because they finally did the right thing doesn't excuse the multitude of fuckups that resulted in so many needless deaths.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
No, the original did fairly well for a few years, but then it dawned on people that the promotors were a bunch of massive twats - I think there's a few diehard followers about, but they don't have the skill required to produce a remix.
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hiraethified
The government took a gamble with the vaccines and got lucky. It has very little to Brexit no matter how much you want it to be true.Jesus, not those links again, the last time you posted them, you had plenty of replies pointing out that much of what they claim was cobblers, yet you ignored those reasoned replies, and now you inject those same links again.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Cobblers, now go back & read the replies you got the last time you posted those links, back on page 3.
Treat them as standing orders, read them & understand them!
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hiraethified
I know Brexit fans are desperate to claim any kind of success from this ongoing, disastrous clusterfuck - even if that includes things that weren't even mentioned or thought of at the time of the referendum - but I'm happy with the links I posted up, thanks.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I'm not convinced this was down to chance; I'm prepared to accept that our venal, corrupt, esurient 'leaders' are actually better suited to neoliberal gaming than the EU bureaucrats.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
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hiraethified
Putting the vaccination issue to one side, tell me all the positive things that have come out of Brexit so far. Thanks.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Translation - I'm happy to conflate vaccine procurement and regulatory approval as it fits my agenda, and to totally ignore any reasoned arguments, because they don't.
Jolly good, have a peanut.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Fuck sakes, this question has been been asked and answered repeatedly on this very thread, but as per the rules any positive outcome must be dismissed of course.
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hiraethified
Keep on spinning, chum.
Oh, and I'll ask you the same question: Putting the vaccination issue to one side, tell me all the positive things that have come out of Brexit so far.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Patel can't off-load "illegal" asylum seekers to other EU countries through which they've passed as the UK is no longer part of the Dublin agreement.
andysays
Love and solidarity
It's certainly led to some friendly and good humoured discussions between people with different opinions here, hasn't it...
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
And let’s not put the vaccine issue aside, you keep claiming it isn’t Brexit related and keep trying to back that claim up by conflating it with vaccine approvals, yet my friend Varnia still can not see her mum cos the over 80’s in Portugal are still waiting for a jab, but I will have mine on Monday, aged 48. My step-mum’s aunt is still dead cos she lived in Holland and not the U.K.
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