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Setting up a sausage factory is "easy". Big room, pork comes in one end, sausages out the other. Lots of expensive stainless steel in the middle and you have to keep the big room cold. Lots of people do it here as everyone rightly says.

Smokeries, at scale, not so much. You have to do all that and then build a smokehouse. Smokers are hugely expensive, the extraction and scrubbing systems are also eye wateringly expensive.

The German factory will receive her pork, spice it, put it in the skins, smoke it and (probably) pack it as well. It will be supplying the spices etc. at their economies of scale, which will be enormous compared to her little farm operation.

Traceability means her farm probably does supply all the Free Range pork if she says so on the packet, if she doesn't supply all the pork then it will be Free Range, if it says it on the packet. (Obviously there are times when people do not follow these rules but I'm working off assumptions that everything is above board).

I note that she doesn't sell any other smoked products on her website, all her bacon is unsmoked so she does not have a smokery and I would venture a guess that everything else is either manufactured with a partner in the UK or on site. (not sure what happens with the chorizo she makes so I'll conveniently ignore that).

I just want to point out it isn't as simple as her not wanting to spend any money locally or just smash out a sausage factory over the weekend. It's an enormous investment, probably a couple of million.
 
spitfire said:
Setting up a sausage factory is "easy". Big room, pork comes in one end, sausages out the other. Lots of expensive stainless steel in the middle and you have to keep the big room cold. Lots of people do it here as everyone rightly says.

Smokeries, at scale, not so much. You have to do all that and then build a smokehouse. Smokers are hugely expensive, the extraction and scrubbing systems are also eye wateringly expensive.

The German factory will receive her pork, spice it, put it in the skins, smoke it and (probably) pack it as well. It will be supplying the spices etc. at their economies of scale, which will be enormous compared to her little farm operation.

Traceability means her farm probably does supply all the Free Range pork if she says so on the packet, if she doesn't supply all the pork then it will be Free Range, if it says it on the packet. (Obviously there are times when people do not follow these rules but I'm working off assumptions that everything is above board).

I note that she doesn't sell any other smoked products on her website, all her bacon is unsmoked so she does not have a smokery and I would venture a guess that everything else is either manufactured with a partner in the UK or on site. (not sure what happens with the chorizo she makes so I'll conveniently ignore that).

I just want to point out it isn't as simple as her not wanting to spend any money locally or just smash out a sausage factory over the weekend. It's an enormous investment, probably a couple of million.
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So this could well be the beginning of a brand new sausage smoking industry in the UK.

#benefitsofbrexit
 
Pickman's model said:
Putting vaccine into people's arms is political.
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And this government has made it ultra political by ignoring manufacturers recommendations for time between doses so they can crow that they have vaccinated more people.

This isn't being challenged nearly enough by the media. They are still running the story that we'll all be vaccinated by summer when the truth is it will be much much later when we are fully vaccinated with our second dose.

With the potential introduction of vaccine certificates to visit the pub this mess is likely to get worse as people who believe they are fully protected, but are not, mingle and propagate the disease further.
 
tendril said:
And this government has made it ultra political by ignoring manufacturers recommendations for time between doses so they can crow that they have vaccinated more people.

This isn't being challenged nearly enough by the media. They are still running the story that we'll all be vaccinated by summer when the truth is it will be much much later when we are fully vaccinated with our second dose.

With the potential introduction of vaccine certificates to visit the pub this mess is likely to get worse as people who believe they are fully protected, but are not, mingle and propagate the disease further.
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Actually a study by Astrazeneca resulted in the recommendation of a delay between doses, and the WHO has recommended the same since early Feb. [LINK], there's no scientific reason why the pfizer vaccine will not be just as safe with the same delay, it's already proven that both vaccines maintain a high level of protection for those 12 weeks, with the second doses adding a fairly minimal extra level protection, but likely to extend the length of protection over time.

UK scientists got it right, and for once the government accepted their advice, saving thousands of lives.
 
tendril said:
This isn't being challenged nearly enough by the media. They are still running the story that we'll all be vaccinated by summer when the truth is it will be much much later when we are fully vaccinated with our second dose.
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Currently 'the science' is telling us that a single shot (of AZ, at least) gives 100% protection against death and very serious illness from C19. The second dose is for long term protection. It therefore seems sensible to give as many people the first dose as quickly as possible
 
tendril said:
And this government has made it ultra political by ignoring manufacturers recommendations for time between doses so they can crow that they have vaccinated more people.

This isn't being challenged nearly enough by the media. They are still running the story that we'll all be vaccinated by summer when the truth is it will be much much later when we are fully vaccinated with our second dose.

With the potential introduction of vaccine certificates to visit the pub this mess is likely to get worse as people who believe they are fully protected, but are not, mingle and propagate the disease further.
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It has been shown that one dose is very nearly as good as two, so the policy of getting that first dose in to as many arms as possible is definitely the best one. For all their myriad fuck ups with this pandemic, the vaccination programme really is not one, it is by any measure a massive success.
 
Spymaster said:
Currently 'the science' is telling us that a single shot (of AZ, at least) gives 100% protection against death and very serious illness from C19. The second dose is for long term protection. It therefore seems sensible to give as many people the first dose as quickly as possible
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Yes, it is providing protection against serious illness. It is not 100% stopping transmission. Transmission leads to new variants, which the current vaccines may not be as effective against.
 
Spymaster said:
Currently 'the science' is telling us that a single shot (of AZ, at least) gives 100% protection against death and very serious illness from C19. The second dose is for long term protection. It therefore seems sensible to give as many people the first dose as quickly as possible
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I have missed that - can you point me at it please, that’s important. Thanks.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
It has been shown that one dose is very nearly as good as two, so the policy of getting that first dose in to as many arms as possible is definitely the best one. For all their myriad fuck ups with this pandemic, the vaccination programme really is not one, it is by any measure a massive success.
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The vaccines success is despite the government, not because of it.
 
tendril said:
Yes, it is providing protection against serious illness. It is not 100% stopping transmission. Transmission leads to new variants, which the current vaccines may not be as effective against.
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So don't give at to as many people as possible as quickly as possible?
 
tendril said:
I'm not gonna do whataboutary
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Indeed.

fullfact.org

Vaccine approval isn’t quicker because of Brexit - Full Fact

The MHRA could have given the Pfizer vaccine the same emergency approval when the UK was in the EU.
fullfact.org fullfact.org
www.newstatesman.com

Why the EU’s vaccine disaster doesn’t prove Brexit was right

The UK’s vaccine success does not compensate for its catastrophic handling of the pandemic or the cost of leaving the EU.
www.newstatesman.com www.newstatesman.com
www.bbc.co.uk

UK vaccine approval: Did Brexit speed up the process?

There have been claims that Brexit allowed the UK to approve a vaccine quicker than the EU, but is that correct?
www.bbc.co.uk
 
cupid_stunt said:
and for once the government accepted their advice
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It must be of great comfort to the families of the 130k people who have died that the government has finally put on its big boy pants and decided to listen to the experts.
 
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