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hiraethified
So are things getting better for asylum seekers coming to the UK as a result of Brexit then? And are they going to keep on getting better and if so, how?
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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Raheem
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In practice, I don't think she could do that before, could she?
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hiraethified
Certainly been no shortage of comically clueless people offering opinions on how my career as a musician hasn't supposedly been negatively impacted, or hoe touring the US is somehow comparable to playing Europe.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you do keep bringing it up tho. and touring the us is comparable to - but not equivalent with - playing europe.
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
the fish! the fish are happier.
fewer HGVs grinding their way to Holyhead
Farage isn't on the telly every night
refugees who are fortunate enough to make not to Kent definitely won't get shipped back to France
Union Jack sales are up a huge amount
need I go on...?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
No & no, I expect...but you did ask for any one thing....
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Tbf he asked for ALL things, the greedy so and so.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and my tiny violins are shifting in numbers never previously known
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
an icelandic parliament, i believe
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I think I'd put it a different way - at its heart, the EU structures (and those attracted to work in them) are technocratic, legalistic beasts whose raison d'etre is the management of trade treaties.
Nation states within the EU honking off about the EU's inability to do quick response was a thing long before Dear Nigel ever coined the term Brexit. many of the member states were as quick off the mark as the UK government when it came to vaccines (and were certainly quicker when it came to hoovering up PPE): the problem they had is not (or not necessarily) deciding to club together to buy huge amounts of vaccine for a continent without (broadly) internal borders, their problem was putting in the hands of a legalistic structure who's gut reaction is rules and process.
They were faced with a crisis, a really frightening crisis, and - like most of us - they reverted to type. In Johnson's case it was the freewheeling shitshow, but in UVDL's case it was making huge political statements and ignoring the mechanisms to bring it about, and then (as she did in at least two government departments in Germany) arguing over money and then flailing about trying to find someone else to take the blame.
With Johnson the shitshow brought us the death toll, but the freewheeling brought us the vaccine.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
All good points, well made.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
No no no.
You have to put all obvious positive's of Brexit to one side. Then you have to agree that all of the things that you see as positives, aren't actually positives at all, and put those to one side too.
That's how this game works
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
No no no.
You have to put all obvious positive's of Brexit to one side. Then you have to agree that all of the things that you see as positives, aren't actually positives at all, and put those to one side too.
That's how this game works
Tbf my step-mum’s aunt’s scratching was very mediocre, so a discount DJ mixer would have been wasted on her anyway.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think you're using the superseded fifth edition rules.No no no.
You have to put all obvious positive's of Brexit to one side. Then you have to agree that all of the things that you see as positives, aren't actually positives at all, and put those to one side too.
That's how this game works
gosub
~#
Not if leads to shortages that impact on those awaiting 2nd dose
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
No no no.
You have to put all obvious positive's of Brexit to one side. Then you have to agree that all of the things that you see as positives, aren't actually positives at all, and put those to one side too.
That's how this game works
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
That's not going to happen.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's not likely though, and if the trial suggests 100% protection (even if only after 22 days) from hospitalisation after the first dose, surely better to get that into everyone as fast as possible and then deal with dose 2?
gosub
~#
words that over the last decade Ive increasingly come to dread
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
whoa there. negative things can be laid at the feet of our abominable government too you know
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh it's up there with 'trust me'
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
& lessons will be learnt?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
= some vague nonsense will be cobbled together and quickly forgotten
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Brexit government, although in the new world order two negatives are just doubly bad.
stdP
One Swiss dinosaur in Polly Gosling's anorak hood
Note that, if I'm remembering correctly, efficacy in the context of this study means reducing transmission. In the context of preventing people getting serious C19 and ending up in hospital (which was the overwhelming crisis that was fast approaching with hospitals starting to run out of capacity), efficacy of the AZ appears to be much, much higher - at least 90% and possibly nearly 100%. Time will tell, but it was the right decision to start putting AZ in to as many arms as possible as soon as possible. Whilst there wasn't any complete academic study on this exact scenario, the preliminary data gave a strong suggestion that it was the case, so the scientists took a slight gamble, convinced the government of the gamble, and as a whole we and the NHS can all breathe a bit easier, both literally and metaphorically. Most medical staff in the UK TTBOMK have been prioritised to get the pfizer vaccine since it appears to give better transmission protection (but again it's going to be a long time before we know the full story).
Personally I'm currently of the opinion that we've had a lucky escape but that it's a largely orthogonal issue to brexit, but because they happen at the same time it's difficult to separate the two completely. The EU sabre-rattling over their own poor planning and logistics is at best childish and at worst downright ugly; the recent spats about the AZ vaccine reek of panicked face-saving (since you had almost all of the continental medical authorities saying that even if AZ did cause blood clotting, C19 causes clotting anyway* and is far more deadly... so take the fuckin' vaccine!) which has poured diesel on to an already toasty tyre fire, and dropping this particular political bollock is going to result in thousands more deaths. As I mentioned in another thread the press in italy has whipped up a massive storm and convinced lots of mugwumps to panic and swear off any vaccines at all, ever. My partner's mother, 65, has been told she can expect to be able to book for her (pfizer) vaccine appointment in seven months. There's certainly a technocratic side to the EU here that appears to have blundered substantially, in a similar way to our own home-grown substantially blundering technocrats were doing a year ago, and both are eyeing each up as Aunt Sally whilst the science and healthcare folk roll their eyes in despair**.
Anyway, this is all probably more relevant for the C19 board than the usual pram-throwing that goes on in this thread. I voted remoaniac and I'm still convinced brexit is a cake made of foetid pig effluent with union jack icing and a bulldog artfully placed on top for our dining pleasure (not eating your slice is not an option and no, you can't have a corner bit with slightly less pig shit in it). One accidental victory with vaccines at the same time as an EU mis-step isn't going to make up for all the other disruption going on at the same time (particularly with trade which is getting very ugly very quickly), but as long as brexit and C19 are happening at the same time, many people will ascribe all deleterious effects to their demon of choice and all advantages to their preferred messiah, because that's the simple nuance-free option.
* For those interested, last I read was that the clotting was put down to people having an allergic reaction to their own antibodies produced by their own bodies' immune response, so it can happen with any vaccine (and had already been recorded with the pfizer one at least) and of course would also happen if you caught C19, giving you a double-whammy. In most studies, the incidence of blood clots in AZ recipients is lower than the general population; the strongest data to the contrary is currently coming out of Norway who release their further findings on the matter tomorrow.
** Bias on my part here because I (laughably) consider myself a scientist and have been rolling my eyes so much over the last year I've given myself a crick in the neck.
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hiraethified
In what ways is it 'comparable' for smaller bands - apart from the actual physical act of playing gigs? And if the experiences are so comparable, why do you think so few smaller bands who regularly play Europe ever get to tour the US?
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hiraethified
You've done the personal stuff before, so it's getting a bit boring now.
But I did ask politely, so could you now list all the positive things that have come out of Brexit so far?
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hiraethified
You can just post up 3 or 4 things, if you like. So what have you got?
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