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Starry Wisdom
i wonder what the 2016 riots will make clear.
A Pivotal Moment In Housing - When The Tories Take Our Home
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That the blood of politicians runs just as fast into the gutters as does the blood of insurgents, hopefully.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i wonder if those out on the streets will do more against cctv.
Lurcio
Steaming Mass of MegaCITY1
Land Value Tax.
Restricted criteria for Buy-To-Let mortgage lending - e.g. no more than x 3 annual rent.
Massive council house building in London/SE, Midlands and Northwest.
Penalties for house builders that hold land but do not build on it. Also, planning permission must be time restricted in order to prevent developers stalling projects over a long period of time in order to realise gains in the housing market.
Restricted criteria for Buy-To-Let mortgage lending - e.g. no more than x 3 annual rent.
Massive council house building in London/SE, Midlands and Northwest.
Penalties for house builders that hold land but do not build on it. Also, planning permission must be time restricted in order to prevent developers stalling projects over a long period of time in order to realise gains in the housing market.
Lurcio
Steaming Mass of MegaCITY1
These measures would ensure a significant reduction (possibly a crash) in house prices. Rents will follow.
Unfortunately, it will also crash the economy because much of it operates on sentiment and the ready availability of credit for a speculative bubble in housing.
But, economically, the country will be in far better shape. Massive reductions in the cost of living, greater productivity and more money available for investment, training and the industries of the future.
Unfortunately, it will also crash the economy because much of it operates on sentiment and the ready availability of credit for a speculative bubble in housing.
But, economically, the country will be in far better shape. Massive reductions in the cost of living, greater productivity and more money available for investment, training and the industries of the future.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Once they realise its potential to make their life more difficult, then yes. I imagine the same will be true of drones, too, which should be reasonably easily disabled by some kind of catapult-launched entanglement stuff...
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Today it has been mentioned that there's a "£1.2 billion fund to pay for 30,000 'affordable' starter homes on brownfield sites".
How many people are aware that social housing estates can be classed (due to central govt legislation) as "brownfield" sites by local authorities?
How many people are aware that social housing estates can be classed (due to central govt legislation) as "brownfield" sites by local authorities?
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
David Cameron vows to ‘blitz’ poverty by demolishing UK's worst sink estates
What's the bet that this 'scheme' reduces the overall social housing stock, doesn't replace like-for-like in flat specification, tenants have to accept weaker agreements, and some get shipped to other parts of the country?!
What's the bet that this 'scheme' reduces the overall social housing stock, doesn't replace like-for-like in flat specification, tenants have to accept weaker agreements, and some get shipped to other parts of the country?!
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
He mentioned riots a lot. I wonder if he's starting to feel nervous.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
It's bollocks that that is today's main BBC news, reported uncritically. It's like they're not even trying.
If you read down a bit you'll find that the amount they're putting into this is £140 million, or £1.4 million per estate. That's fuck all in regeneration terms. It'll be a land grab in partnership with the private sector, plus an opportunity to push people off secure tenancies (hence the wording about people 'trapped' on estates). Don't trust these cunts and don't trust the 'impartial' state media to question their intentions.
If you read down a bit you'll find that the amount they're putting into this is £140 million, or £1.4 million per estate. That's fuck all in regeneration terms. It'll be a land grab in partnership with the private sector, plus an opportunity to push people off secure tenancies (hence the wording about people 'trapped' on estates). Don't trust these cunts and don't trust the 'impartial' state media to question their intentions.
Cid
Proper break this time
The shift from distributed industry to south-focussed service did exactly that to the north though... Wholesale destruction/disruption of communities focussed around various industrial/manufacturing etc sites.
Not that a vindictive reversal with people moving to a north that has little available work but low rents would be helpful. But keep the economy skewed to the south and people will keep moving there and fitting themselves into ever smaller spaces... Has to be a combination; investment in the north, more social housing and rent controls in the south.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
All of that's already a given, based on so-called "regeneration" projects that have already done all of the above.
The "Myatts Fields North" project in Lambeth is very much an exemplar for this kind of disgusting behaviour by central government, as well as being highly illustrative of the lengths of collusion the more right-wing Labour councils will go to, to socially-engineer the demographics in their boroughs.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Well, in terms of land grab, so far councils have been getting away with granting long land leases, but yeah, there will be a problem if the provisions for compelling councils to sell their land holdings get through.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
This was passed to me by a FB friend. It's worth a read.
The London Clearances
The London Clearances
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
This chart explains quite nicely why we find ourselves in such a clusterfuck regarding housing:
The government is basically relying on the private sector to deliver new starts, but with the skyrocketing price situation, it's surely quite lucrative to do the opposite and drip-feed housing into the market instead.
The government is basically relying on the private sector to deliver new starts, but with the skyrocketing price situation, it's surely quite lucrative to do the opposite and drip-feed housing into the market instead.
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
This chart explains quite nicely why we find ourselves in such a clusterfuck regarding housing:
The government is basically relying on the private sector to deliver new starts, but with the skyrocketing price situation, it's surely quite lucrative to do the opposite and drip-feed housing into the market instead.
it's not just lucrative behaviour, it also sustains the price bubble by keeping demand abnormally high.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
That makes sense. As things stand, the market cannot continue to sustain itself, but do a big shift of current council tenants into an (effectively) artificially created new private market, and you're giving the appearance of expanding the market without any risk of oversupply to depress prices. Then, either through cleverly redrafted tenancies, or just waiting until they lapse, and that's a whole swathe of social housing now neatly shifted across to the private rental market.
Whagwan
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Tories reject move to ensure rented homes fit for human habitation
Making homes fit for human habitation isn't feasible apparently.
Making homes fit for human habitation isn't feasible apparently.
What makes estates 'brutal'? - BBC News
Article on the beeb talking about Cameron's rhetoric of "sink estates" and "entrenched poverty" doesn't even mention the fact that it's just propaganda designed to prime our acceptance of the bulldozing of council estates and the dismantling of social housing
Article on the beeb talking about Cameron's rhetoric of "sink estates" and "entrenched poverty" doesn't even mention the fact that it's just propaganda designed to prime our acceptance of the bulldozing of council estates and the dismantling of social housing
This is incredible, well not really, we are going to see the gloves off, the opposition has to raise its game.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Well, not on terms which would be acceptable to rentier-friendly Tories and that part of their constituency for whom being held to a reasonable standard is unacceptable.
When, in 20 years, we are asking how Rachmanism has again infested our housing market, we should be able to point to moments like this to explain it.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
His boasts that they are the party of homeowners - despite refusing to deny that people who own homes on these estates would be turfed out of them under his plans - was especially sickening. At least Corbyn devoted all of his questions to it, which is a good sign at least.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Oh look! I am surprised.
Corbyn attacks David Cameron over 'half-baked' sink estates plan
Corbyn attacks David Cameron over 'half-baked' sink estates plan
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oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
I thought the term 'sink estates' was about thirty years out of date - I hadn't heard it for years until now. It's also offensive to the people who live there.
I don't think Cameron has thought about the people who would move out, just about those who might move in to newly developed areas. Who might just be aspirational and vote Tory. Rather like Lady Porter's thinking in the 1980s.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I thought the term 'sink estates' was about thirty years out of date - I hadn't heard it for years until now. It's also offensive to the people who live there.
I don't think Cameron has thought about the people who would move out, just about those who might move in to newly developed areas. Who might just be aspirational and vote Tory. Rather like Lady Porter's thinking in the 1980s.
"Sink estates" is outdated. It is, however, and easy-to-attach label to signify a certain set of themes: disrepair, social chaos, the breakdown of "the rule of law".
Cameron (or his speechwriters) are labelling the denizens of those estates as beyond saving, and unworthy of their place in the capital. By implication, those labels will now be attached to everyone in council housing.
http://www.theguardian.com/housing-...er-risen-quarter-last-parliament-housing-bill
Guardian, 39% of Tory M.P's are landlords, big rise since GE.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I agree, however, if there simply is no work where you currently live, you don't have a lot of choice.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
When it comes to London though, which is the primary crisis in housing, it's farcical. Essentially moving people away from London where there are jobs in more plentiful supply because people can't afford to live there, to around the UK where in a lot of cases, there are a lot less jobs available (and higher unemployment levels).
Completely the wrong way of 'tackling the problem'. The solutions include: rent caps (rather than ever increasing rent going to private landlords), more social housing and social rents (as opposed to 'affordable'), controls on buy-to-let, and right-to-buy. But that doesn't fit in with the 'small state', 'private is best' ideology.
Completely the wrong way of 'tackling the problem'. The solutions include: rent caps (rather than ever increasing rent going to private landlords), more social housing and social rents (as opposed to 'affordable'), controls on buy-to-let, and right-to-buy. But that doesn't fit in with the 'small state', 'private is best' ideology.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Aye, and like all bubbles, it will burst. Again.
Some legislation regarding land prices would help. Often the land it sits on, represents more than half of the cost of a new build house.
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