20+ killed in university in Virginia US

[8den]

Why doesn't somebody open a thread like this everytime a bomb explodes in some market in Iraq ? 30 people is a small number there, we must value all lives the same way

Part of it is, I think, News fatigue. 30 people getting killed in Iraq, business as usual. We, alas, know this story. Be it Sunni's, Shiite, Al Qaeda, Insurgents, the players are known, and its chalked down to another horrendous day in a conflict zone. The other factor is the "Why?" We know the motivation and fanaticism that drives religious extremists, but we don't understand or comprehend why this person did this? What drove a 23 year old to break in this way? Its' the tragic randomous the "Tell me why you don't like Mondays" (a song inspired by Brenda Ann Spencer's random assault on a elementary school) element.

The subtext I feel in your post paimeio is some kind of righteous indignantion that we value the life's of Iraq's less than Americans college students, it's pompous prententious teenager level pseudo philosophizing.

 

[8den]

Conspiraloonery is a business. Supply and demand.

You're not wrong, he breaks up the story with an advertisment for a Roderguiz 911 DVD. Got keep up with the new content!

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Listing some rough and extremely summarised, hence extremely simplified ideas about possible contributing factors to extreme behaviour is not "criticism of the source of one culture's violence".
It is listing possible contributing factors and should be looked at in relation the academic disciplines sociology (first of all) and criminology (next).
People's failure to make such obvious connection can't be my concern.

salaam.

Still, if you open a line of inquiry, you can't really justify closing it down if you don't like where it goes.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Why doesn't somebody open a thread like this everytime a bomb explodes in some market in Iraq ? 30 people is a small number there, we must value all lives the same way

Dog bites man is not news.

 

[tim]

Both Switzerland & Israel have more weapons in private homes but none of these type of spree killings. In Switzerland every member of the military (both on active service & reserve) have to keep their assualt rifle at home in good order. The same with Israeli citizens.

Really! My memory tells me that the reality in both these countries is actually rather different.

Remember this

Or this, albeit more modest, more modest homicidal rampage last friday

This

Or Baruch Goldstein, who kiiled nearly as many people as yesterday's man

 

[8den]

Really! My memory tells me that the reality in both these countries is actually rather different.

Remember this

Or this, albeit more modest, more modest homicidal rampage last friday

This

Or Baruch Goldstein, who kiiled nearly as many people as yesterday's man

These random killings seem to exist is nearly every country, the availability of, and ease of access to firearms in the US, just helps notch up the body count.

 

[Aldebaran]

Still, if you open a line of inquiry, you can't really justify closing it down if you don't like where it goes.

If you chose to join the group making it their weird hobby to disturb other poster's threads with off-topic derails, that is your choice yet it isn't mine.
I opened the "inquiry" concerning this thread's topic.
If someone wants to open an "inquiry" about an other topic: To my nowledge threads can be posted by everyone.
If that someone is JC2 then I'm afraid I shall not see it since (for the second time since I subscribed) he has to honour to be the lone resident of my IL.

salaam.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

If you chose to join the group making it their weird hobby to disturb other poster's threads with off-topic derails, that is your choice yet it isn't mine.
I opened the "inquiry" concerning this thread's topic.
If someone wants to open an "inquiry" about an other topic: To my nowledge threads can be posted by everyone.
If that someone is JC2 then I'm afraid I shall not see it since (for the second time since I subscribed) he has to honour to be the lone resident of my IL.

salaam.

Threads morph all the time. The question was a fair one. Get over it.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Why doesn't somebody open a thread like this everytime a bomb explodes in some market in Iraq ? 30 people is a small number there, we must value all lives the same way

Part of the reason for threads like this are rhetorical grave-pissing. Its for Yerpeans to go "tsk, tsk."

 

[Dhimmi]

Do people buy guns on campus? No. They purchase or procure them from OUTSIDE of campus where they are widely available with or without licenses.
So the issue of whether they are allowed on campus or not is completely irrelevant.

No it's not. It's very relevant that the campus was trying to avoid "gun culture", and how that matches up with the enveloping culture around them.

The most interesting part is that US public opinion is drifting towards blaming this partially on the campus gun ban, for them it's an example of why gun bans don't work. Had those students who have conceal permits been permitted to carry firearms they might have been able to defend themselves and others.

 

[Luther Blissett]

If a person is posting a criticism of the source one culture's violence, it is perfectly appropriate to question the causes of violence in that person's culture. Turn-about and all that.

Is the US Death Penalty system the source of US Culture-of-Violence?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Is the US Death Penalty system the source of US Culture-of-Violence?

I'll be happy to answer that when Al answers the question put to him.

 

[Dhimmi]

Part of the reason for threads like this are rhetorical grave-pissing. Its for Yerpeans to go "tsk, tsk."

Sorry you feel that way but understandable given how so much of this comment seems to be driven by not understanding the situation but banging on about it regardless.

Shocks to come; Bears are dirty beasts, Pope really should be more open minded, why don't birds use public transport, and Swiss cruelty to cuckoos continues.

 

[TAE]

Why doesn't somebody open a thread like this everytime a bomb explodes in some market in Iraq ? 30 people is a small number there, we must value all lives the same way

Because that is not unusual anymore.

 

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[Aldebaran]

Threads morph all the time. The question was a fair one. Get over it.

The "question" you seem to become obsessed about was posted by a poster I don't see posting and hence to whom I chose not to pay a second of my attention.
In addition - going on what I see quoted by others - it was at that largely off-topic, largely uninformed and on top of all also not even remotely related to random killing of people by a lone gunman.
Get over it.

salaam.

 

[Luther Blissett]

Why doesn't somebody open a thread like this everytime a bomb explodes in some market in Iraq ? 30 people is a small number there, we must value all lives the same way

You're absolutely right - all lives deserve equal value. I remember well the news of the a series of detonated bombs outside a Baghdad university that murdered 60 and 140 wounded (back in Jan: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/16/AR2007011600261.html). Yesterday in Iraq, the death toll was over 300 for the day - that's 3 times the UN estimated average for Iraqis killed violently per day for 2006.

Back to the thread:

Police have identified the gunman who carried out the deadliest school shooting in US history as a 23-year-old Korean university student and suggested he acted alone.

Steve Flaherty, superintendent of Virginia state police, identified the gunman who killed 32 people at Virginia Tech University on Monday as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, a resident alien in the United States.

Colonel Flaherty told a press conference Cho was an English major at Virginia Tech in his senior year and had been living in a campus dormitory. No motive was given for the rampage.

Cho shot himself on as police closed in on a campus engineering building where he had gunned down dozens of students and faculty members.

Colonel Flaherty said a 9mm handgun and a 22mm handgun had been recovered.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1899863.htm

I don't like the term 'alien'. In UK, he would have been termed an Overseas Student(?), not a 'resident alien'.

 

[extra dry]

look at this makes guns even more apealing to young adluts

 

[extra dry]

sorry for big pictures not worked it out yet

 

[Aldebaran]

sorry for big pictures not worked it out yet

If you use a service like "photobucket" you can size them down while and after loading them there and then copy and paste the url they give beneath it.

salaam.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The "question" you seem to become obsessed about was posted by a poster I don't see posting and hence to whom I chose not to pay a second of my attention.
In addition - going on what I see quoted by others - it was at that largely off-topic, largely uninformed and on top of all also not even remotely related to random killing of people by a lone gunman.
Get over it.

salaam.

Still not answering that question.

 

[Aldebaran]

Still not answering that question.

Still no thread about it.

salaam.

 

[Dandred]

Go on Yuwipi Woman start a thread............

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Go on Yuwipi Woman start a thread............

Don't say I never gave you anthing.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Still no thread about it.

salaam.

There's a thread, you can go over there and weasel a while.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Ever heard of Marc Lepine and the Ecole Polytechnique Massacre ?

Yes, and in your country with restrictive gun laws, you have Dunblane. You can't stop all the crazies all the time.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

mmm... No. I was born and raised in the Middle East, which is where my nationality and main residence is. My late mother was European and of course here entire family is. (Which led to me being sent back and forth since I was a baby and having done a substantial part of my higher education in Europe too.)

I suppose it was the lonely resident of my IL list who got on about "beheadings"... Which of course has nothing to do with subject of this thread and possible underlying causes for these events.

salaam.

I keep forgetting that I'm on Aldebaran's ignore list. It's because I ask questions about his beliefs and politics that he's uncomfortable answering.

What do you call that kind of person again?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Listing some rough and extremely summarised, hence extremely simplified ideas about possible contributing factors to extreme behaviour is not "criticism of the source of one culture's violence".
It is listing possible contributing factors and should be looked at in relation the academic disciplines sociology (first of all) and criminology (next).
People's failure to make such obvious connection can't be my concern.

salaam.

The US has gun crime, the Middle East has beheadings. There are lots of resistance movements etc around the world that don't hack the heads off living people: I'm just wondering what it is that's specific or noteworthy about middle eastern culture such that such a thing goes on there.

You might see the Americans and their guns as uncivilized frontier mentality types. I see people who commit beheadings as barbaric and grotesquely cruel.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

What do you think happens when a shell explodes and shrapnel flies through the air at head height ?

Someone's head comes off. But that's still different from holding someone down, then taking a breadknife, and sawing off the screaming person's head. In the one case, the army wants people dead, and they don't much care how it happens. In the other case, the perpetrators want to personally inflict and watch a death that involves a maximum of pain and anguish.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Still, if you open a line of inquiry, you can't really justify closing it down if you don't like where it goes.

Why not? He does it all the time.

He's interested in talking, not in listening.