20+ killed in university in Virginia US

[Johnny Canuck3]

If that someone is JC2 then I'm afraid I shall not see it since (for the second time since I subscribed) he has to honour to be the lone resident of my IL.

salaam.

Tell us again about dar al islam, and dar al harb.

Salaam.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The "question" you seem to become obsessed about was posted by a poster I don't see posting and hence to whom I chose not to pay a second of my attention.
.

See what I mean?



.........[chickenshit] cough,cough.........

 

[Luther Blissett]

What do you call that kind of person again?

Middle Sized Billy Goat Gruff?

 

[DexterTCN]

Yes, and in your country with restrictive gun laws, you have Dunblane. You can't stop all the crazies all the time.

The guns used in Dunblane were legally owned. After that we banned them.

 

[Irenick]

At least while they're killing each other; they're leaving some other poor bastard alone.

 

[TAE]

Someone's head comes off. But that's still different from holding someone down, then taking a breadknife, and sawing off the screaming person's head. In the one case, the army wants people dead, and they don't much care how it happens. In the other case, the perpetrators want to personally inflict and watch a death that involves a maximum of pain and anguish.

Yes, it is different, but not by much. In both cases, a very unpleasant death is knowingly caused.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yes, it is different, but not by much. In both cases, a very unpleasant death is knowingly caused.

Yes, there is a difference. To repeat, in the one case, the killer desires the death of the victim, but doesn't really care how it happens, just so long as it happens.

In the other case, the killer personally wants to get his hands dirty carrying out a cruel and painful death. The intention is not just the death, but also the suffering, and being present to cause and view the suffering.

 

[Kripcat]

No but its a tad worrying that people can easily ignore issues like the death of thousands and get so worked up about a kid, in a country notorious for producing maniacs and out of control gun use, going into a uni and going mental!

MonkeySphere

 

[kyser_soze]

Chris Rock:

'Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people. Make every bullet cost $1mn and no one would be firing a shot.'

Spree killings happen all over the world, they aren't a unique US phenomenon so why all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the 4th Amendment? Some states have exceptionally strong gun control laws, some don't, and the primary focus of the NRA has been, and always will be, to keep the Federal Government out of legislation in this area.

One thing it really shows up is the astounding lack of understanding about US political culture in Europe. I'm not a fan of lax gun laws and personally think it most accurately represents the adolescent nature of US politics, BUT for everyone who cries 'But it's so obvious, can't you see, get rid of the guns, get rid of the death' there is an American who will say 'Fuck that, I have a right to protect myself from any threat, private or from the government'

There was a really good point made on one of the Guardian CIF threads on today's leader - somewhere someone had said 'The first responsibilty of the government is to protect it's citizens', to which a US poster replied 'Not in the US it isn't - it's the government's job to get stay they hell out of our lives', which amply demonstrates the gulf in attitides.

Plus of course, even if you did ban the sale of guns and ammo, there are something like 800mn guns in circulation in the US - where are you going to collect them all?

 

[Jonti]

See what I mean?



.........[chickenshit] cough,cough.........

What I see is an obsessed anti-islamic stalker. Get over yourself, JC2. Alde is *not* the only Muslim posting here, just one of the few who's "out" about it, perhaps owing to the semi-obsessed stalking they are likely to attract from nut-jobs like yourself.

And, no, the fact he puts you on ignore does not mean he's chickenshit. A bloody-minded loony that defended the murder by Zionists of his own countryman, the Canadian soldier Paeta Hess-von Kruedener, is more chickenshit, surely? Fouler by far, at any rate.

It more likely means he, like many others, just can't be bothered by your particular line of murder applauding hypocrisy.

Now, back on topic ...

 

[TAE]

Yes, there is a difference. To repeat, in the one case, the killer desires the death of the victim, but doesn't really care how it happens, just so long as it happens.

In the other case, the killer personally wants to get his hands dirty carrying out a cruel and painful death. The intention is not just the death, but also the suffering, and being present to cause and view the suffering.

So what was Shock And Awe all about then ?

 

[rekil]

'Not in the US it isn't - it's the government's job to get stay they hell out of our lives',

In fairness that's standard fruitcake freeperbottery which means nothing at all.

 

[nino_savatte]

Spree killings happen all over the world, they aren't a unique US phenomenon

The US has more of them than any other country. There is at least one a year in the States.

 

[agricola]

Chris Rock:

'Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people. Make every bullet cost $1mn and no one would be firing a shot.'

Spree killings happen all over the world, they aren't a unique US phenomenon so why all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the 4th Amendment? Some states have exceptionally strong gun control laws, some don't, and the primary focus of the NRA has been, and always will be, to keep the Federal Government out of legislation in this area.

One thing it really shows up is the astounding lack of understanding about US political culture in Europe. I'm not a fan of lax gun laws and personally think it most accurately represents the adolescent nature of US politics, BUT for everyone who cries 'But it's so obvious, can't you see, get rid of the guns, get rid of the death' there is an American who will say 'Fuck that, I have a right to protect myself from any threat, private or from the government'

There was a really good point made on one of the Guardian CIF threads on today's leader - somewhere someone had said 'The first responsibilty of the government is to protect it's citizens', to which a US poster replied 'Not in the US it isn't - it's the government's job to get stay they hell out of our lives', which amply demonstrates the gulf in attitides.

Plus of course, even if you did ban the sale of guns and ammo, there are something like 800mn guns in circulation in the US - where are you going to collect them all?

Exactly.

We have enough problems in the UK stopping gun crime, to even attempt to do so in the US would be (and is) fraught with danger - you only disarm the law abiding.

One can debate for days with gun-rights types over whether ordinary citizens should be able to walk around with machine guns / rifles / pistols and for what reason, but the blatant fact of the matter is that, in nearly every state in the US, loons like this chap and the Columbine pair and about a thousand others over the past fifty years can get hold of guns in order to carry out their crimes, so everyone else should be able to get them as well - if for no other reason than to defend themselves (if not against spree-killers, then against other criminals, nearly all of whom will be armed themselves).

This is of course the heart of the CCW system in some US states, which (one hopes) would be expanded nationally after this, instead of more gun-control legislation - which in the US context is a panacea of idiocy.

 

[Aldebaran]

There's a thread, you can go over there and weasel a while.

There is no thread about anything worth spending my time on.
The only thing you do is acting as proxy for a poster I have on ignore with a p&c of posts of this thread to an other one without a link to them or any other context at that.

It is hardly my concern that JC2 is that desperate to catch my attention that he uses you as his proxy and that you chose to do so. Everyone is entitled to have a hobby.
Do you plan to be his proxy for the rest of my membership days here? If so, don't be surprised to be his room mate at my IL too.

salaam.

 

[extra dry]

lucky you don't have a gun

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

What I see is an obsessed anti-islamic stalker. Get over yourself, JC2. Alde is *not* the only Muslim posting here, just one of the few who's "out" about it, perhaps owing to the semi-obsessed stalking they are likely to attract from nut-jobs like yourself.

And, no, the fact he puts you on ignore does not mean he's chickenshit. A bloody-minded loony that defended the murder by Zionists of his own countryman, the Canadian soldier Paeta Hess-von Kruedener, is more chickenshit, surely? Fouler by far, at any rate.

It more likely means he, like many others, just can't be bothered by your particular line of murder applauding hypocrisy.

Now, back on topic ...

Odd, though, that he'd put me on ignore, and not someone like Rachamim, an israeli soldier and constant defender of israeli actions.

As for 'loony', anyone interested in a study of that sort of behaviour only needs look at your posting record, and review your posts written in response to something [no: anything] that I've said.

Believe it or not, it's possible to ask questions about an islamic follower's beliefs, without being anti islamic. And who but a simpleton would think that a disagreement with the extreme aspects of a belief, amounts to a wholesale rejection of the religion in general?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

So what was Shock And Awe all about then ?

Killing people and destroying things.

To repeat: there is a different mindset involved in wanting someone dead, and in wanting someone killed in a way that amounts to a personal infliction of a grotesque torture, done to inflict the most pain and fear.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

There is no thread about anything worth spending my time on.
The only thing you do is acting as proxy for a poster I have on ignore with a p&c of posts of this thread to an other one without a link to them or any other context at that.

It is hardly my concern that JC2 is that desperate to catch my attention that he uses you as his proxy and that you chose to do so. Everyone is entitled to have a hobby.
Do you plan to be his proxy for the rest of my membership days here? If so, don't be surprised to be his room mate at my IL too.

salaam.

My initial interest in Aldebaran was piqued by his portrayal of himself as an intellectual from the middle east, with education both in islamic and western studies. To me, he seemed an ideal person to explain some of the points about islamic belief, that were causing me difficulty or puzzlement.

However, after attempting to engage him on some of these points, he immediately put me on ignore. Like I said, he's more interested in talking than he is in listening.

Either that, or possibly he's not who he says he is, and that would be revealed if he attempted to address some of these issues.

 

[rekil]

To repeat: there is a different mindset involved in wanting someone dead, and in wanting someone killed in a way that amounts to a personal infliction of a grotesque torture, done to inflict the most pain and fear.

Like this?

An American soldier yesterday pleaded guilty to the rape and murder of a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and the killing of three members of her family in a village near Baghdad in March in one of the most brutal examples of attacks on civilians in Iraq.

The murders took place on March 12 in Mahmoudiya, 20 miles south of Baghdad. Prosecutors allege that five soldiers stationed at a checkpoint there raped the girl, Abeer Qassim al-Janabi, then burned her body to hide the evidence, and killed her father, mother and six-year-old sister.

Atrocities occur in all wars. How is any of this relevant to the Virginia massacre? Why the derail.

 

[TAE]

Like I said, he's more interested in talking than he is in listening.

I did get that impression as well.

Killing people and destroying things.

To repeat: there is a different mindset involved in wanting someone dead, and in wanting someone killed in a way that amounts to a personal infliction of a grotesque torture, done to inflict the most pain and fear.

As I recall, the whole point of shock and awe was to have a psychological impact.

 

[Calva dosser]

So effective.

Read a bleeding historybook.

Seppoe prats, the Yurp's have been over there for years.

 

[Jim Colyer]

Immigrants who come to America should first serve in the U.S. military.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Immigrants who come to America should first serve in the U.S. military.

Interestingly, a whole lot of former Nazis got US citizenship that way. At first there were strict controls, but during the early stages of the cold war these were relaxed, particularly in where strong anti-communist credentials were evident, which was often the case with many enthusiastic Nazi war criminals.

Some of them ended up working for the George Bush the First's campaign.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Like this?
Atrocities occur in all wars. How is any of this relevant to the Virginia massacre? Why the derail.

The question was asked by Aldebaran: what is it about US culture that spawns gun massacres?

I responded by asking what it was in middle eastern culture that spawned the beheading as a form of societal violence.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Immigrants who come to America should first serve in the U.S. military.

Why just immigrants? With conscription, you and your friends could serve your country also.


Besides, have you thought this immigrant army thing through? Do you want a US army comprised mostly of people from Mexico, Cuba, the West Indies, and Vietnam?

 

[rekil]

Immigrants who come to America should first serve in the U.S. military.

Is the military taking 8 year olds now? Basic training must be dumbed down somewhat.

 

[Dhimmi]

That's rather unfair to eight year olds.

 

[Luther Blissett]

The question was asked by Aldebaran: what is it about US culture that spawns gun massacres?

I responded by asking what it was in middle eastern culture that spawned the beheading as a form of societal violence.

Which is clearly a dodge if ever there was one, unless you're alluding to a Plymouth Brethren prophecy connection?

 

[Luther Blissett]

Derail: 230 University Professors Killed So Far In Iraq, 17 Corpses Found in Ramadi Schoolyard

Two professors from Mosul University were murdered on Monday - the same day as the Virginia Tech mass shooting. The school's dean of political science was shot as he walked through the university gate. A second professor was killed in front of his home. The International Committee of Solidarity with Iraqi Professors estimates that over 230 university professors have been killed since the Iraq war started. 56 are reported missing and more than 3,000 others have fled the country. Schools in Iraq have also been targets of frequent attacks. In January at least 70 people died in a double suicide bombing at Baghdad's Mustansiriya University. Another suicide bomber struck the school in February killing 40 more students, faculty and staff.

In other news, at least 85 people were killed or found dead across Iraq on Tuesday. 17 decomposing corpses were found buried beneath two schoolyards in Ramadi.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/18/1548251

None were beheaded.