14th November Movement for Left Unity

[articul8]

All edits are retrospective. Think before you type.

another one for pedants corner.

 

[Pickman's model]

another one for pedants corner.

pedants'

 

[articul8]

You would do something and continue to do something that you think is a tactical mistake?

Or the tactical mistake would you supporting a non-labour party candidate in a general election? Why, how many divisions do you have?

No - I would work with them on community campaigns - at a non-electoral level. But would still call for a Labour vote if they decided stand at a GE.

 

[Pickman's model]

No - I would work with them on community campaigns - at a non-electoral level. But would still call for a Labour vote if they decided stand at a GE.

why do you think they should support labour? what's in it for them?

 

[J Ed]

No - I would work with them on community campaigns - at a non-electoral level. But would still call for a Labour vote if they decided stand at a GE.

So you would support a member of Progress over an actual socialist?

 

[Pickman's model]

So you would support a member of Progress over an actual socialist?

he is a member of the labour party after all

 

[articul8]

So you would support a member of Progress over an actual socialist?

thankfully that isn't the case. if it were I'd understand the logic of standing against them.

 

[articul8]

why do you think they should support labour? what's in it for them?

Not having a lib dem MP for a start

 

[Pickman's model]

Not having a lib dem MP for a start

that's a very limited change to their lives through a labour vote. what positive things would a labour government do for people iyo?

 

[butchersapron]

thankfully that isn't the case. if it were I'd understand the logic of standing against them.

So, weasel, in all areas without a progress candidate you wouldn't argue against non-labour party candidate involved in some form of anti-austerity activity standing against labour?

 

[butchersapron]

Not having a lib dem MP for a start

You would prefer a lib-dem to a tory MP though.

 

[articul8]

that's a very limited change to their lives through a labour vote. what positive things would a labour government do for people iyo?

they would get rid of the bedroom tax. This is a start

 

[articul8]

So, weasel, in all areas without a progress candidate you wouldn't argue against non-labour party candidate involved in some form of anti-austerity activity standing against labour?

you mean in all areas *with* a Progress candidate? Where an anti-austerity campaign can be mobilised credibly and effectively, and it was unlikely to seriously risk the election of Tory/LD MP I wouldn't argue against it.

 

[butchersapron]

Well, are all areas without a progress candidate made up of solid-ex-mining working class MP or candidiates (yes, readers, he does believe it's possible to be a working class MP)?

 

[articul8]

where did I say that?

 

[el-ahrairah]

they would get rid of the bedroom tax. This is a start

anything else? renationalise the post office?

 

[butchersapron]

where did I say that?

What that it's possible to be a working class MP? Or that outwith the handful of areas with progress sponsored candidates you'll be supporting any and every labour candidate and opposing every candidate against labour? On the latter, above earlier today - on the former, are you denying it?

 

[articul8]

I didn't say that every candidate other than Progress ones are all working class MPs of ex-mining stock!

 

[butchersapron]

I didn't say that every candidate other than Progress ones are all working class MPs of ex-mining stock!

Nor did i say that you did. At least that would be some basis for your support of them - but no, you highlight that you will support them on an even flimsier basis.

 

[articul8]

the prime basis for supporting them is as the only mechanicsm through which to kick out the Tories and LDs and punish them for their peformance in office.

 

[butchersapron]

the prime basis for supporting them is as the only mechanicsm through which to kick out the Tories and LDs and punish them for their peformance in office.

Yes, we know, vote labour, join labour, don't join anyone else, don't vote for anyone else.

 

[articul8]

When it comes to electoral interventions, if you are going to stand against Labour, choose your target well and only do so if you can expect to be seen as credible.

 

[butchersapron]

When it comes to electoral interventions, if you are going to stand against Labour, choose your target well and only do so if you can expect to be seen as credible.

Or what, you'll wag your finger whilst waffling on about your participation in activity outside of labour? You'll give them the enormous benefit of your tactical role in winning AV?

 

[SpineyNorman]

As a matter of fact I left the party and backed the Socialist Alliance in 2000 - and wasn't in the party at the time of invasion of Afghanistan/Iraq - both of which I opposed.

But joined after. Kind of like bolshiebhoy joining the SWP after the Delta affair only even less honest.

 

[articul8]

Or what, you'll wag your finger whilst waffling on about your participation in activity outside of labour? You'll give them the enormous benefit of your tactical role in winning AV?

or what? or they'll confirm their own irrelevance and fail even in their own terms.

 

[butchersapron]

or what? or they'll confirm their own irrelevance and fail even in their own terms.

There is no 'or what'? You're the one who thinks you're playing chess here.

 

[articul8]

But joined after. Kind of like bolshiebhoy joining the SWP after the Delta affair only even less honest.

except I don't act as an apologist for the leadership, I joined precisely to challenge the leadership

 

[butchersapron]

except I don't act as an apologist for the leadership, I joined precisely to challenge the leadership

Cracking job you're doing. They don't even know that you exist.

 

[articul8]

the local council leader certainly does - when we occupied the council chamber, forced the suspension of the full council meeting and got on the front page of the local rag protesting about charging council tax to JSA/ESA claimants

 

[butchersapron]

That wasn't your labour left you enclosing prat.