14th November Movement for Left Unity

[ska invita]

Would like to see more communication from LU myself though...

you mean the founding mothers and fathers?
i think the apparent hands off approach from them is what is giving me faith (and unnerving others)

 

[Coolfonz]

true, could be a good sign...

 

[caleb]

There does seem to be an element of that, which i tend to support in general terms. Not addressing prospective voters as The Proletariat is one thing, but how this plays out in policy is another...where will the line be drawn between idealism and pragmatism, in the name of electability.

The "idealists" are precisely those who think that the secret to solving the left's isolation and poverty is in formulating a new language, discarding or hiding ideas. They can refine their language all they want, Left Unity will still never amount to anything.

 

[ska invita]

The "idealists" are precisely those who think that the secret to solving the left's isolation and poverty is in formulating a new language, discarding or hiding ideas. They can refine their language all they want, Left Unity will still never amount to anything.

I think that's a simplistic account of what is happening with LU - the language is just one element of the differences that are being implemented. if it was the only one then your point would hold.
For example I think Im right in saying it was passed that there will be “at least 50%” representation for women in any leadership positions - perhaps someone can confirm that.

Its not exactly a risky claim to say it wont amount to anything, but i see more reasons for optimism here than i do most anywhere else right now

 

[Coolfonz]

50pc women is right yeah. And yeah it's a small chance it might do something but it's better than nothing...

 

[articul8]

Trigger RIP

 

[teqniq]

Trigger RIP

Well yes fair enough. But what has this got to do with LU? Is is supposed to be some cunning oblique reference to something along the lines of 'well only fools and horses would back LU'?

 

[butchersapron]

Well yes fair enough. But what has this got to do with LU? Is is supposed to be some cunning oblique reference to something along the lines of 'well only fools and horses would back LU'?

RLP was a big LU supporter.

 

[teqniq]

Ah ok

 

[Nigel Irritable]

A report from the Left Unity national committee:
http://www.independentsocialistnetw...ction_type_map=["og.likes"]&action_ref_map=[]

Short version: Nobody does sectarianism like "anti-sectarian" reformist burnouts. Is there a single person mentioned who isn't an ex-member of some left group or other?

(My favourite comment is from the ever-bewildered Tom Walker: Left Unity isn't about uniting the left.)

 

[belboid]

(My favourite comment is from the ever-bewildered Tom Walker: Left Unity isn't about uniting the left.)

Technically he is boringly right - it's the ISN.SR.ACI.WP lash up that is uniting 'the left'

Pete M is also wrong that all the officers come from the same platform, there's at least one that doesn't (tho not many more than that)

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Technically he is boringly right - it's the ISN.SR.ACI.WP lash up that is uniting 'the left'

He's mostly just accidentally pointing out the inaccuracy of the Left Unity name and rhetoric. I suppose Burnt Out Political Refugees Unity doesn't have the same ring, to be fair. The whole thing just smells of the Teachers Club left here in Dublin. There seems to be a similar milieu in every large city.

As for the "lash up", Socialist Resistance must be shaking their Zimmer frames in frustration as the talking goes nowhere much.

 

[belboid]

He's mostly just accidentally pointing out the inaccuracy of the Left Unity name and rhetoric. I suppose Burnt Out Political Refugees Unity doesn't have the same ring, to be fair.

The whole thing just smells of the Teachers Club left here in Dublin. There seems to be a similar milieu in every large city.

But it's not just BOPRs, there are new people! New, honest guv. Not just people TW doesn't recognise cos they refused to work with the SWP/ the SWP refused to work with them previously.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

But it's not just BOPRs, there are new people! New, honest guv. Not just people TW doesn't recognise cos they refused to work with the SWP/ the SWP refused to work with them previously.

I'm sure there must be a few somewhere, but that NC meeting was old lags to a man or woman and the founding conference had a slippers and boiled sweets demographic judging by the photos.

 

[imposs1904]

I'm sure there must be a few somewhere, but that NC meeting was old lags to a man or woman and the founding conference had a slippers and boiled sweets demographic judging by the photos.

werthers originals?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Good news to see LU slowly self destructing

 

[J Ed]

Good news to see LU slowly self destructing

Why?

 

[emanymton]

A report from the Left Unity national committee:
http://www.independentsocialistnetwork.org/?p=2700&fb_action_ids=10152155317893258&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=[579182722168412]&action_type_map=["og.likes"]&action_ref_map=[]

Short version: Nobody does sectarianism like "anti-sectarian" reformist burnouts. Is there a single person mentioned who isn't an ex-member of some left group or other?

(My favourite comment is from the ever-bewildered Tom Walker: Left Unity isn't about uniting the left.)

We must not be like TUSC and stand everywhere. TUSC is even opposing Caroline Lucas

Those bastards in TUSC, how dare they stand against a scab.

 

[emanymton]

They have less than 10 grand in the bank but they plan to employ an admin worker?

 

[Awesome Wells]

Those bastards in TUSC, how dare they stand against a scab.

How is she a scab?

 

[emanymton]

[URL="http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/that-wonderfully-progressive-greens-party-is-about-to-bring-in-scab-labour.311238/page-3#post-12324330"]That wonderfully progressive Greens Party is about to bring in scab labour[/URL]

 

[J Ed]

According to her she was just picking something up and putting it next to the rest of the rubbish rather than litter picking or whatever. AFAIK unlike the council Green Party she supported the strike.

It does seem a bit weird for TUSC, which has limited resources, to target Caroline Lucas.

 

[belboid]

It does seem a bit weird for TUSC, which has limited resources, to target Caroline Lucas.

You forget that TUSC are fucking idiots

 

[butchersapron]

...and also, that is going to be one of labour top targets, they are going to pour money and resources into it.

 

[treelover]

Loach was on Going Underground today(RT) second time in a fortnight L/U have featured

btw, they voted to prioritise benefit cuts, etc at the latest meeting.

 

[emanymton]

According to her she was just picking something up and putting it next to the rest of the rubbish rather than litter picking or whatever. AFAIK unlike the council Green Party she supported the strike.

It does seem a bit weird for TUSC, which has limited resources, to target Caroline Lucas.

Bugger, raining on my Lucas hate parade.

It does seem a silly seat to target, but then are there any good targets for TUSC?

 

[belboid]

Bugger, raining on my Lucas hate parade.

It does seem a silly seat to target, but then are there any good targets for TUSC?

0.2% of the vote would've a good target

 

[SpineyNorman]

Bugger, raining on my Lucas hate parade.

Don't worry mate, I'm on your side.

(that thread's in dire need of bumping by the way, gonna have to find some green shitness later for that purpose - shouldn't be too hard!)

 

[stuff_it]

They have less than 10 grand in the bank but they plan to employ an admin worker?

Where does it say that?

 

[emanymton]

Where does it say that?

Right at the end

FINANCE REPORT

Andrew Burgin reported, covering the period 9th May 2013 to 2nd January 2014. Copies were distributed to delegates so that branches could receive a full report. There was at present a balance of £9,267. He confirmed that 20% of membership income would go to branches once they had bank accounts. He suggested LU now needed to employ an admin worker.

<snip>

The motion was passed unanimously.

It was also agreed to appoint a part time Administrator to help with the increasing workload of running the party. This would be progressed by Guy Harper and Kate Hudson who would also arrange for temporary office space