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Woolwich soldier killed (was "Did cops just shoot 2 dead in woolwich?")

agricola said:
Not sure that they have, tbh. Quite a few of the reports mention that it was a female PC who shot at least one of these blokes.
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The one who ran at the jam sandwich, they'e not saying he was shot by a WPC are they?

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"Oh my God!!! The way the Feds took them out!!! It was a female police officer she come out the whip and just started bussin shots … right next to a primary school."
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That one is. The police said it was as male copper shooting through a car window didn't they?
 
Anyone know, is this for real/fake? Saw it on twitter.

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JHE said:
All the Islamonuts whose statements we've heard, in their video wotsits, have been equally clear (or "articulate", if you prefer). The views they express and the clarity with which they express them are not rare. They differ from most of their thinkalikes in having the courage of their convictions.
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Yeah, I suppose I'm comparing him to people like (shoe bomber) Richard Reid, who seemed obviously vulnerable and out of his depth.
 
butchersapron said:
It's not a taste of thing to come - it's a taste of their defeat. Forced into mad acts like that cut the ground out from under them. Not a new stage but defeat on an old stage.
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but all their acts were mad.

Mebbe your right but I dunno, it looks like its evolving . You could be right and its towards extinction but these guys have the appearance of being on a learning curve . And far from the ground cut under them theyve got worldwide publicity . If theyd offed Cameron they wouldnt have gotten more airtime .
 
butchersapron said:
The one who ran at the jam sandwich, they'e not saying he was shot by a WPC are they?

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That one is. The police said it was as male copper shooting through a car window didn't they?
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the mirror are certainly reporting how "brave WPC" driver, unable to draw her firearm, is saved by a male colleague in the back who fires his machine-gun through his window at a suspect who is charging at her.
 
JHE said:
All the Islamonuts whose statements we've heard, in their video wotsits, have been equally clear (or "articulate", if you prefer). The views they express and the clarity with which they express them are not rare. They differ from most of their thinkalikes in having the courage of their convictions.
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yeah but its one thing articulating it on the internet, another thing after youve just hacked someone to death and are sitting waiting for the armed response to arrive . Thatll have inspired someone .
 
killer b said:
i'll be shocked if that's real. the 'an international plot to abolish parliament' question in particular is quite mad.
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Not really - one of the questions on the government vetting forms used to (and probably still is) be "Have you ever been involved in actions intended to overthrow or undermine Parliamentary democracy".
 
Casually Red said:
yeah but its one thing articulating it on the internet, another thing after youve just hacked someone to death and are sitting waiting for the armed response to arrive . Thatll have inspired someone .
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I'm not sure whether it will inspire others but I agree with you that it seemed very well planned to me.

I'm still intrigued by the possibility of links between Richard Reid and one of yesterdays two who went to Kidbrooke School (Reid went to Thomas Tallis which is in the same neighbourhood, a mile or so from where yesterdays killing took place). I vaguely recall something about a 'terrorist training camp' being found on the Ferrier Estate after Reid was caught but Google is only coming up with a couple of references to it.
 
agricola said:
Not really - one of the questions on the government vetting forms used to (and probably still is) "Have you ever been involved in actions intended to overthrow or undermine Parliamentary democracy".
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That reminds me of a question members of the Spartacist League used to ask their interlocutors at public meetings/debates when I first came across them in the late 70s: "Do you believe in violent revolution?" In those days I was a keen proponent of "non-violent revolution". The Sparts immediately lost interest and went to look for someone less pacifist to talk to.
 
Sasaferrato said:
Indeed. We don't ban Argentinian Restaurants though, or blame every Argentinian for the invasion. In fact, rather than in the occasional 'gung ho' remembrance, we have pretty much forgotten about it.
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thats because you won

had port stanley been carpet bombed prior to the reclamation of Las Malvinas it might have been a bit different . In fact the only islanders killed were by stray British rounds.
 
JHE said:
That reminds me of a question members of the Spartacist League used to ask their interlocutors at public meetings/debates when I first came across them in the late 70s: "Do you believe in violent revolution?" In those days I was a keen proponent of "non-violent revolution". The Sparts immediately lost interest and went to look for someone less pacifist to talk to.
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i keep hearing these chaps names..the sparts..must do some reading on them .
 
Belushi said:
I'm not sure whether it will inspire others but I agree with you that it seemed very well planned to me.

I'm still intrigued by the possibility of links between Richard Reid and one of yesterdays two who went to Kidbrooke School (Reid went to Thomas Tallis which is in the same neighbourhood, a mile or so from where yesterdays killing took place). I vaguely recall something about a 'terrorist training camp' being found on the Ferrier Estate after Reid was caught but Google is only coming up with a couple of references to it.
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It would take a few minor things for this to become a botched job. This is not professionalism - it's luck. Pure luck.
 
SpineyNorman said:
Not related to Friday prayers but SWP types are sharing this (Muslim run takeaway attacked in what the article says is a revenge attack by the far right) on facebook.
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That was a revenge attack sure but not a mass protest as was suggested, could be the work of very few people indeed (not to dismiss it). Where do all the facebook likes for them fit in, I am not on facebook so don't really know - apparently there was a call for protests outside mosques maybe harking back to the Finsbury Park Mosque protests back in 2003/4? called by the NF attended by all sorts - heavy police presence penning them in.
 
sihhi said:
That was a revenge attack sure but not a mass protest as was suggested, could be the work of very few people indeed (not to dismiss it). Where do all the facebook likes for them fit in, I am not on facebook so don't really know - apparently there was a call for protests outside mosques maybe harking back to the Finsbury Park Mosque protests back in 2003/4? called by the NF attended by all sorts - heavy police presence penning them in.
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Indeed. Two blokes smashing up a takeaway at half nine at night isnt exactly unusual behaviour.
 
Newsnight interview with very close friend of one has:

one of the guys was a non-Muslim youth moving into mostly white Romford around 2002
converting in 2004
then wanting to live in a Muslim country against idea of shariah in Britain, wanting it in Muslim lands
going to Kenya to study kuran being arrested by Kenyan military police from a rural area
then interrogated says no comment gets tortured sexually
then on return to britain in 2012 is hassled by mi5 asking him about people he might know which he doesn't, asking him to be an agent and informer
becomes sullen and non-responsive not usual bubbly self but no indication of wanting to plan violence
 
sihhi said:
That was a revenge attack sure but not a mass protest as was suggested, could be the work of very few people indeed (not to dismiss it). Where do all the facebook likes for them fit in, I am not on facebook so don't really know - apparently there was a call for protests outside mosques maybe harking back to the Finsbury Park Mosque protests back in 2003/4? called by the NF attended by all sorts - heavy police presence penning them in.
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Ah right sorry, misunderstood what it was you're looking for - certainly not seen evidence of anything that would require significant numbers.
 
Are their names really Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale? I'm never going to be able to remember which one's which - only the last 4 letters are different ffs
 
sihhi said:
That was a revenge attack sure but not a mass protest as was suggested, could be the work of very few people indeed (not to dismiss it). Where do all the facebook likes for them fit in, I am not on facebook so don't really know - apparently there was a call for protests outside mosques maybe harking back to the Finsbury Park Mosque protests back in 2003/4? called by the NF attended by all sorts - heavy police presence penning them in.
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this taking of 'likes' on facebook as representative of significant views gets wearing. The likeage variable is so huge. Theres everything from reflex likers, considered likers and everything in between. Its about as significant as someone nodding while another person says something. imo
 
Paul T said:
surprised that they can print so much information ahead of any prosecution, let alone any trial.
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Think it will take more than newspaper articles mentioning their personal lives to get them off - they were caught red handed - literally - and judging by their statements immediately after have no intention of denying what they did.
 
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