Woolwich soldier killed (was "Did cops just shoot 2 dead in woolwich?")

[elbows]

I hope I'm wrong but I can see this type of action becoming a game changer.

If it ends up a game changer I suspect it will be down to 'our' response to it, rather than the quantity of such attacks.

Because as with other forms of terrorism I think there are a couple of large barriers that prevent there being a large number of such attacks on a semi-regular basis:

1) There are not all that many people actually prepared to carry out such attacks.

2) A portion of those that are will spend ages fantasising about it and will blab to others about their plans and end up nicked as a result.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I've read enough reports of things like the Iranian embassy and what not to know that there's no such thing as a shoot to wound policy. Happy to be corrected, if you want to produce something. Funny how nobody walks away from armed response shootings alive, though.

Inaccurate. They don't tend to walk away alive if they're hit by multiple rounds. Single rounds won't necessarily kill you.

 

[brogdale]

Just up on live feed....


"Cameron : It has been widely reported that the suspects were known to security services, he says - he can't comment on that."

So, yes they were.

 

[SpineyNorman]

TBF, I don't reckon old Pickers meant any harm by it though. A lot of people do have an often, at least partially, justifiable downer on afficionados of the white and the B, but I just couldn't see how Banhof read about this and the lightbulb above his head immediately illuminated whatever damp & mildew smelling room he found himself in with sixty watts of crackhead. Bag snatchings, bike thefts, shoplifting? Yes. Beheadings? Hardly an everyday gig.

Think I got the wrong end of the stick a bit to be honest, knackered and a bit stressed.

But that's just down to ignorance and stories about people in the US eating each other's faces and stuff. And an inability to distinguish between crack and PCP.

 

[Pickman's model]

Think I got the wrong end of the stick a bit to be honest, knackered and a bit stressed.

But that's just down to ignorance and stories about people in the US eating each other's faces and stuff. And an inability to distinguish between crack and PCP.

an apology for your foul slur would show a nice spirit

 

[SpineyNorman]

an apology for your foul slur would show a nice spirit

What foul slur? I'll apologise anyway though, life's too short to be arguing with you.

 

[Delroy Booth]

If Willie Whitelaw could describe uproar in 1970s NI as an "acceptable level of violence", the Powers that Be can probably tolerate the odd random beheading here and there. Your mileage may vary of course.

I remember being taught that at uni, it's not specific to Northern Ireland it's a general tendency. They recognise it's more or less impossible bar some dystopian police state to prevent individual acts of barbarity like this. They might be able to stop large terrorist networks with more complicated plans but stuff like this what can you do? The doctrine of accepting you can't ever fully elimate terrorist but can only aim to reduce it to an "acceptable level of violence" is shared quite widely in different countries dealing with different terrorist groups.

 

[Pickman's model]

What foul slur? I'll apologise anyway though, life's too short to be arguing with you.

go on then.

 

[Pickman's model]

I remember being taught that at uni, it's not specific to Northern Ireland it's a general tendency. They recognise it's more or less impossible bar some dystopian police state to prevent individual acts of barbarity like this. They might be able to stop large terrorist networks with more complicated plans but stuff like this what can you do? The doctrine of accepting you can't ever fully elimate terrorist but can only aim to reduce it to an "acceptable level of violence" is shared quite widely in different countries dealing with different terrorist groups.

so it is in fact NOT a general tendency, it is an attitude shared by some governments: quite a difference.

 

[SpineyNorman]

??

I thought he was referring to the way in which people stigmatise drug users, my like certainly was not agreeing with the idea that they should be. Have had enough problems in my own family with that to think that.

Forget it mate, bit stressed at the minute and I got the wrong end of the stick.

 

[SpineyNorman]

go on then.

What was the foul slur?

 

[Pickman's model]

Forget it mate, bit stressed at the minute and I got the wrong end of the stick.

something like that with an 'i'm sorry' somewhere would be grand.

 

[treelover]

http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/51092450285/man-killed-in-horrible-london-machete-attack-racist


reading on twitter, etc, so many of the most unpleasant tweets are from young people, people who have lived in multi-racial/cultural society/environments all their lives, had civic lessons, why is this, what has failed , if anything?

 

[Pickman's model]

Forget it mate, bit stressed at the minute and I got the wrong end of the stick.

so you're apologising to everyone but me. ain't life grand.

 

[SpineyNorman]

What? You not been plagued by junkies? I've had my fill of it.

Plagued.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'll be monitoring this post to see who 'likes' it. Couldn't wish for a more effective cunt detector. Must say I'm a bit surprised already.

this foul slur: that i and everyone who likes my post must be a cunt.

 

[SpineyNorman]

so you're apologising to everyone but me. ain't life grand.

This is bizarre and I really can't be arsed with it. Sorry.

I would love to know what the 'foul slur' was though.

 

[Pickman's model]

This is bizarre and I really can't be arsed with it. Sorry.

I would love to know what the 'foul slur' was though.

you said above you'd apologise. now you say you won't.

 

[SpineyNorman]

this foul slur.

That's not a slur of against you cos you were just stating fac... ah fuck it, nevermind.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's not a slur of against you cos you were just stating fac... ah fuck it, nevermind.

and where does this leave your promise of an apology?

 

[SpineyNorman]

you said above you'd apologise. now you say you won't.

I just fucking did, in the post you quoted there. Fucking hell.

 

[Spymaster]

that i and everyone who likes my post must be a cunt.

Well he was half right!

 

[2hats]

I don't think people getting sliced up in the street could ever become "routine". It would change our way of life.

Several people are routinely killed on our roads everyday...

 

[Pickman's model]

Well he was half right!

 

[treelover]

anyone care to comment on my post above, the most racist seem to be the young, at least on twitter

 

[treelover]

Several people are routinely killed on our roads everyday...

I may be misreading you, but you seem to be making allowances for what happened..

 

[Pickman's model]

anyone care to comment on my post above, the most racist seem to be the young, at least on twitter

no

next

 

[cesare]

Well he was half right!

That's not nice about JEd

 

[SpineyNorman]

this foul slur: that i and everyone who likes my post must be a cunt.

Actually just those who liked it. But I was wrong - they weren't but you are. It's really quite remarkable.

 

[Pickman's model]

Several people are routinely killed on our roads everyday...

i think you'll find my post about teenage killings was more apposite