Woolwich soldier killed (was "Did cops just shoot 2 dead in woolwich?")

[Pickman's model]

Actually just those who liked it. But I was wrong - they weren't but you are. It's really quite remarkable.

maybe. but at least i'm not the lying little shit your promise of an apology and its subsequent non-appearance show you to be.

 

[ViolentPanda]

She'll also be interesting to listen to at the trial. It'll be a fair trial in open court, resulting in long terms in HM prisons. No waterboarding, no military tribunal, no attempt to subvert justice by defining the killers as 'enemy combatants' or imprisoning them outside British territory. That's the only good thing to come out of this - that we'll show the US the fair way to deal with terrorists. Not that it will undo the legacy of Blair's slaughter of Iraqis, but it's a start.

Sure, they'll get a fair trial because they committed a crime.
What about those detainees in Belmarsh etc who were/are detained on "intelligence" that they're involved, but against whom no proof is presented - the people whom our government allowed violation of habeas corpus in order to detain without charge - does that show the US the "fair" way to deal with terrorists too?

 

[2hats]

I may be misreading you, but you seem to be making allowances for what happened..

You are totally misreading me.

I'm referring to how society can become inured to daily death (eg RTA fatalities in this particular instance).

 

[SpineyNorman]

maybe. but at least i'm not the lying little shit your promise of an apology and its subsequent non-appearance show you to be.

This is bizarre and I really can't be arsed with it. Sorry.

I would love to know what the 'foul slur' was though.

Now give it a fucking rest.

 

[stuff_it]

She's just been on morning TV.

Stealing Booya Dee's glory.

*shakes fist at sky*

 

[Pickman's model]

Now give it a fucking rest.

please. give it a fucking rest please.

 

[elbows]

reading on twitter, etc, so many of the most unpleasant tweets are from young people, people who have lived in multi-racial/cultural society/environments all their lives, had civic lessons, why is this, what has failed , if anything?

A fair portion of young people including ones I've recently come into contact with are even more obsessed with the differences between people than older people are. And they are not afraid to spout out 'simple but idiotic' solutions. I recall one debate when I was at school aged approximately 15 about Northern Ireland that involved some people coming up with 'nuke it' as a solution.

And sadly forms of racism etc that are based on complete ignorance and lack of contact with other sorts of people are not the only forms. Certainly with the bunch of youngsters I've had the opportunity to listen to at work in recent months, these sorts of things have gotten mixed in with the nauseating quest they are on to work out who they are themselves and fit in with their peers, come to terms with life. At the moment they are bloody obsessed with issues of gayness for example, but I also hear plenty of racial slurs and awful comments that taken on face value make me want to punch them, but probably expose their own insecurities, rivalries and attempts to treat the world flippantly in order to preserve the paper-thin idea that they've got it all sussed and are proper adults as much as anything else.

 

[2hats]

i think you'll find my post about teenage killings was more apposite

Though, I'm given to understand, these suspected murderers ran their victim over first...

 

[Pickman's model]

Though, I'm given to understand, these suspected murderers ran their victim over first...

a road rage incident then

 

[stuff_it]

dunno how representaive the EDL FB page is, but looks like theyve doubled their fucking "Likes" overnight ....

Facebook likes, it's not like they would all turn up. Still worrying though, some EDL protests might now get up to over 100 people.

 

[treelover]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-far-right-three-points

Matthew Godwin on last nights events, EDl, etc.

 

[stuff_it]

The British Gasional Party is also rumoured to be up in arms.

 

[treelover]

As of today, about 50,000 new people will be receiving regular messages from the EDL into their Facebook news feed.

is this correct, don't have newsfeeds.

 

[chilango]

is this correct, don't have newsfeeds.

Yep.

 

[where to]

According to someone on this thread they used to have 80,000.

 

[treelover]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-far-right-three-points

Matthew Godwin on last nights events, EDl, etc.

strangely there are no articles on the Guardian CIF site about the attack itself, only right wing reactions to the attack, they did the same with the abortive attack on the EDL by I/F's.

 

[Spymaster]

According to someone on this thread they used to have 80,000.

That's an additional 50,000.

Overnight.

 

[treelover]

According to someone on this thread they used to have 80,000.

so, its on the increase again?

 

[butchersapron]

Means very little as the EDL have nothing to give these people - they won't go to demos, and they won't do individual stuff that involves them potentially being made targets, they have no political activity to give them: UKIP does, even if on less exciting level. False dawn for the EDL.

 

[treelover]

actually, that's the mirror image of the problems the left has, thousands of FB supporters, etc, may just attend rallies, but no real further political involvement.

 

[not-bono-ever]

so, its on the increase again?

81,629 at at 12.20 today

they had summit like 25K befre this

 

[chilango]

On a side note regarding the EDL...anyone see the guy on the news remonstrating with the police, EDL balaclava in his hand? Heh heh.

But, yeah, EDL irrelevant sideshow to all this.

 

[cesare]

Means very little as the EDL have nothing to give these people - they won't go to demos, and they won't do individual stuff that involves them potentially being made targets, they have no political activity to give them: UKIP does, even if on less exciting level. False dawn for the EDL.

Yes, I see it as an opportunistic move by the EDL yesterday that will have little lasting effect. Residents: oh no, not this as well, fuck off

 

[stuff_it]

If it ends up a game changer I suspect it will be down to 'our' response to it, rather than the quantity of such attacks.

Because as with other forms of terrorism I think there are a couple of large barriers that prevent there being a large number of such attacks on a semi-regular basis:

1) There are not all that many people actually prepared to carry out such attacks.

2) A portion of those that are will spend ages fantasising about it and will blab to others about their plans and end up nicked as a result.

Yes but the very lack of planning means that it's more likely that people may do something on the spur of the moment, which may mean there is less attrition than for more traditional attacks. Feeling a bit depressed? Why not make your suicide mean something? etc.

 

[scalyboy]

"Spoilt middle class black boy with too much time on his hands" says one on that Nigerian thread...

Sounds a bit like Ahmed Sheikh

"His father, Saeed Ahmed, was a Pakistani clothes merchant from Wanstead in east London.Omar Sheikh was reportedly a contemporary of England cricket captain Nasser Hussain at the private Forest School, in Snaresbrook. He moved to Lahore and studied at the elite Aitchison College for three years before returning to Forest School in the Sixth Form. After passing four A-levels with good grades, Omar Sheikh enrolled at LSE in October 1992."

 

[dogDBC]

Good riddance then.

Cunt

 

[DotCommunist]

has there been a statement from the mighty cXf on how they intend to combat this fresh new menace?

 

[treelover]

What might happen is that non EDL/political violence types, maybe UKIP, may call some kind of national demonstration, I think that would get considerable support from people.

 

[cesare]

What might happen is that non EDL/political violence types, maybe UKIP, may call some kind of national demonstration, I think that would get considerable support from people.

Demonstrate against what?

 

[Lord Camomile]

Regarding the whole Facebook thing, am I right in thinking you have to 'like' a page in order to post on it, or is that baloney? Just wondering if at least some of those new likes might be people wishing to... express a note of contrary opinion or concern.